Let's get a general consensus on this: Warnock

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Do you still believe in Warnock for this season?

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BrixtonR said:
Before I begin let's make a couple of things clear. Whilst I am certainly losing confidence in Neil Warnock, with Martin O'Neil no longer available, there is no one around with the instant results qualities of people like MO'N and Arry to replace him. Anyone else would be an even bigger gamble than Neil himself - so he has to be kept on in the vague hope he'll get off his soapbox and start learning from his mistakes.

Given our poor performance over recent decades, I was very optimistic about NW's appointment as manager. I felt certain we'd at last got a solid leader on board and we were going places. Whilst l remained confident throughout last season, I started to become slightly concerned by the lack of innovation, plan B and some choices of sub in the last two or three months. Everything seemed to hinge of the performance of a maverick player, until we eventually stumbled over the line and won the title.

All good, I thought, if extremely lucky with the Faurlingate affair. Obviously, this had nothing to do with Warnock who delivered a great performance in keeping spirits up throughout that and the farce of a close season that was to follow.

However, this year I have to say I'm losing confidence in Warnock's ability to set us on the right tracks. Playing reasonably well is one thing but scoring points is another. Seems to me that if Norwich or Swansea had had the chance to get the likes of Barton, SWP, Young and Ferdinand in, they'd be flying now - even more than they are.

With us there are serious questions in both content AND style.

As far as content goes, there's far too much reliance on the expected reinforcements. In order to accommodate them, we need a system that emphasises attack over defence rather than the other way round. Two or three holding mids is one or two too many. It means a total of seven or eight defenders and straight away we're calling the opposition into our half of the pitch - where mistakes not only can and do happen BUT keep happening.

Warnock needs to take adult responsibility for what isn't working and get solid systems in place. Doesn't matter how big, strong, skillful or otherwise a new striker may be, he won't be effective without plenty of service. By crowing on about match officials etc., NW's making enemies of the thought police and completely unnecessarily. It won't help our cases for clemency at all. In other words, he's doing exactly what Barton did in confronting Johnson and losing not only the game but the skipper for the next three!

We need to learn from our more obvious mistakes - and quite frankly, Neil seems to be making the same ones over and over again.

As for style, I can see something emerging around 'in yer face', upsetting tactics - blending in rather improbably with that slik pass and move ability. Saw parts of each against Chelsea on the one hand and Toon, Spurs and City on the other. The whole thing accually started to come together against Swans. If this blend of styles was designed and intended to become characteristic of Rs 2012, more of same please... Problem is though, I'm also seeing too much hoofy creeping in to make me entirely sure we do know what we're doing.

With all the lovey stuff going on upstairs, it's going to take some time before the owners get the hump enough to start scouting around for alternatives. Fix yer belts please for another frightening trip on the Rangers rollercoaster!!
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This! Although I would add that I wouldn't be too upset if he'd gone this week, as I don't think things can get much worse.
I do worry that the "magic wand" of new January arrivals is being over-relied on!
 
BrixtonR said:
Before I begin let's make a couple of things clear. Whilst I am certainly losing confidence in Neil Warnock, with Martin O'Neil no longer available, there is no one around with the instant results qualities of people like MO'N and Arry to replace him. Anyone else would be an even bigger gamble than Neil himself - so he has to be kept on in the vague hope he'll get off his soapbox and start learning from his mistakes.

Given our poor performance over recent decades, I was very optimistic about NW's appointment as manager. I felt certain we'd at last got a solid leader on board and we were going places. Whilst l remained confident throughout last season, I started to become slightly concerned by the lack of innovation, plan B and some choices of sub in the last two or three months. Everything seemed to hinge of the performance of a maverick player, until we eventually stumbled over the line and won the title.

All good, I thought, if extremely lucky with the Faurlingate affair. Obviously, this had nothing to do with Warnock who delivered a great performance in keeping spirits up throughout that and the farce of a close season that was to follow.

However, this year I have to say I'm losing confidence in Warnock's ability to set us on the right tracks. Playing reasonably well is one thing but scoring points is another. Seems to me that if Norwich or Swansea had had the chance to get the likes of Barton, SWP, Young and Ferdinand in, they'd be flying now - even more than they are.

With us there are serious questions in both content AND style.

As far as content goes, there's far too much reliance on the expected reinforcements. In order to accommodate them, we need a system that emphasises attack over defence rather than the other way round. Two or three holding mids is one or two too many. It means a total of seven or eight defenders and straight away we're calling the opposition into our half of the pitch - where mistakes not only can and do happen BUT keep happening.

Warnock needs to take adult responsibility for what isn't working and get solid systems in place. Doesn't matter how big, strong, skillful or otherwise a new striker may be, he won't be effective without plenty of service. By crowing on about match officials etc., NW's making enemies of the thought police and completely unnecessarily. It won't help our cases for clemency at all. In other words, he's doing exactly what Barton did in confronting Johnson and losing not only the game but the skipper for the next three!

We need to learn from our more obvious mistakes - and quite frankly, Neil seems to be making the same ones over and over again.

As for style, I can see something emerging around 'in yer face', upsetting tactics - blending in rather improbably with that slik pass and move ability. Saw parts of each against Chelsea on the one hand and Toon, Spurs and City on the other. The whole thing accually started to come together against Swans. If this blend of styles was designed and intended to become characteristic of Rs 2012, more of same please... Problem is though, I'm also seeing too much hoofy creeping in to make me entirely sure we do know what we're doing.

With all the lovey stuff going on upstairs, it's going to take some time before the owners get the hump enough to start scouting around for alternatives. Fix yer belts please for another frightening trip on the Rangers rollercoaster!!
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Excellent summary Brix, well argued and delivered and exactly in tune with my own thoughts (although my doubts about NW go a bit deeper and have been voiced prior to our current slump). Just to add for the benefit of Ninj and others that they continue to mix up a reasonable questions and debate about our club on this kind of forum with a lack of support for the team when they play. The two things are NOT the same guys.
 
5:14 and ****ing Mexican dogs have woken me again! I think at times we all believe that NW is pulling the strings whereas once on the pitch this team flows or stalls without his influence
When we flow as a collective going forward then we are very impressive and with Taarabt and SWP look like a very dangerous side that could trouble any team. We have no teeth however and HH has been our only outlet

Midfield again at times we look solid and workman like with flashes of craft
Will be interesting to see Faurlin now grab the game as Barton stalls s and chokes us IMO SWP industry has always been good but end product?

Defence in general looks very poor in the centre and we have been cut open as well as looking poor on crosses

With teeth we should score more goals but those teeth can't be DJ Campbell as he is not good enough for premiership JB poses no threat to any defence in this league but he holds the ball up well ( I personally hate that football anyway as its ****e hitting it long and Barton tries this too much at times ... We play better going forward in a collective shape and have some tricky players that when we click will score a perfect goal I am sure
We look dangerous when we are behind and have to up our game but we don't attack enough IMO and need to stop sitting back when we get a lead
Mackie for me has the right stuff inside and let him grow

I see us clicking soon enough as we are far better than our position is
Have faith it's in the script . Wannock is no master tactician for sure but the he is a battler and 8 th position is easily possible as the league has sorted itself out exactly as I said it would 5 in trouble , the rest in limbo and the top seven . We have enough to win the limbo league ... Bad luck on any teams above us up to 8 th and they drop as we have.

Let's get a good cup run going and we must beat wolves and Wigan ... If we lose those games at home then DT stands corrected and we will be in a scrap for sure ... We must also perform at SJP

Next games are our season IMO
 
QPAAAAAGH said:
...Just to add for the benefit of Ninj and others that they continue to mix up a reasonable questions and debate about our club on this kind of forum with a lack of support for the team when they play. The two things are NOT the same guys.
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Thanks AAAAAGH. Just want to reinforce this point.

Debating the details of our performance and positioning, warts and all, does not mean we don't reset our 'hope-ometer' every match day. On the terraces (if there were terraces) we roar our unconditional support. In the pub afterwards, we reflect both positively and negatively and pick it all to bits in an attempt to work out what needs to be improved upon.

That's not only our nature as football fans, it's the way most blokes are. Ask the missus, she'll tell ya!!
 
You're going down with Warnock in charge, and he'll pin the blame on everyone else, just like he did when he was relegated last time. Crap manager with no tactics other than kick the opposition and hoof the ball. I have a soft spot for QPR, but if you keep this tosser I hope you go down, cos at the moment under him you're like a poor mans Stoke, and that says a lot.
 
If not premier league managers, i'm sure there are a few championship managers who are doing well who'd be tempted by the opportunity ninj
 
according to some, we already have a championsip manager at the moment so why change?
 
This debate will run and run. We could I guess for for allardcye - but I am happy for him to stay at west ham. Mowbray? plays a good passing game, appleton, Cotterill, (man I am struggling with names here), Olly (won't return), Pearson (just taken over at leicester and cannot see him leaving them just yet), Kenny Smoking Jacket.

there isn't that much available, I just reckon we should NW this season and regroup if needed next season. If we do go down, and mabe Bolton follow us, then I would say go for Owen Coyle but let's give NW a bit of time to at least put HIS team together
 
What about Eddie Howe at Burnley? Or Chris Powell at Charlton? mind neither would leave I would suspect. I agree that NW deserves a chance to put his team together, but we can't go toe to toe with Spurs for all our targets, as 10 out of 10 would choose them
 
Eddie Howe is a good shout. he had Bournemouth playing some very good footie - and if he hasn't settled up north he may want to reurn a bit further south. Chris Powell - this is his first proper season as a manager - would like to see how he does in next season or two.
also agree we can't go toe to toe with spurs on all transfer targets, but, what this could do is if we miss out on Samba for example, might make it easier to get Bassong? and if Howitt goes there, then they may have remove someone else from their 25 man squad (could it be Pav /Defeo??) which could mean that we can start to bid for a premier league striker. However if Blackburn are ater player plus for Samba and their bank are wanting a huge cash injection, I cannot see bassong going there purely because Spurs will value him at £3mill whereas if Samba came to Loftus Rd, Bradley Orr will be valued at £800k (ono)?
This will be a very interesting window
 
Nice reply Ninj,dont you find that certain comments draw you in even when you do get bored, thats what makes these forums so appealing and addictive.
Ninj said:
Ruisliop re your comment on mine"Gratitude he has plus he gets well paid but we owe him nothing.We support QPR fc not NW ,he is an employee not our best mate.And finally Ninj if its a "tad boring" for you dont comment. "
agree he is well paid and an employee. He is also one of our longest serving managers since Olly. I get bored because at times, we seem to have the same debates day after day. How many debates went on after the norwich game with WUM's putting comments on and then letting others run wild with them. Finally, I will also continue to post my own personal opinion and view as - they may not always be good posts, maybe an occasional good one, and at times I may spurt out a load of old pony, but it's my view...and Im entitled to get bored of regurgitated comments
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Ruislip......er yeah!!!
Like all the other QPR fans on here, I have my opinions on what I would like to see happen - I know not everyone will agree with what I want but its still interesting to see how others view your opinions.....even if they don't agree.
 
My sentiments exactly,even when i get bored with a certain thread I still cant stop coming back to see a response.Happy new year.
 
elnino37 said:
Younger blood, fresh enthusiasm and perhaps better knowledge on the modern game?
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Like that bloke at Chelsea? or the Blackburn manager? Hear they got a good result against that geriatric Ferguson recently.
Interesting how much people on here dislike Warnock. Its clear too that the knives have been out for while (if hidden till recently). Not really in the QPR mould? Too outspoken? Not enough experience of the premiership? Personally, I'm prepared to give him the whole season. Some have short memories - our managerial changes made us a laughing stock in the not so distant past. And who was the only one able to deal with the goons and get results? Oh yes, that'll be Warnock. If we go down, he'll retire. But there's no manager of month O'neill going to do better than him right now.
 
Its the realisation that things have not got better on the pitch despite the new signings. Players take time to gel I know but it will take a lot longer if there played out of position or in a system that doesnt suit them.
 
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