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I think there's a bit of revisionism going on regarding Ozil's time at Arsenal.

Mesut Ozil's time at Arsenal was mixed, but he did have some successful times with us. His time at the club remains divisive because it never quite reached the heights many hoped he would. His arrival from Real Madrid was a landmark/iconic moment for the club because it signalled that we could once again attract world-class talent. He did play his part in ending the club's 9-year trophy drought, winning 4 FA Cups and producing some of the most creative football seen at the Emirates.

At his best, he was a footballing artist. His vision, intelligence and ability to create chances were among the finest in world football, and few players in Arsenal's history could match his technical gifts from an ability perspective. However, his career at the club coincided with a period when football was evolving away from the traditional playmaker role. The modern game increasingly demanded intensity, pressing and defensive work, areas where Ozil was never particularly strong.

It's a difficult one because many will point to the chances he created, the trophies he helped deliver and the lack of elite players around him for much of his Arsenal career. But there is a valid argument that a player of his reputation and wages should have imposed himself more in big games, carried the team more often and adapted better to the changing demands of elite football.

I reckon the reality probably lies somewhere in the middle. Ozil was neither the failure some portray him as nor the flawless genius others remember. He was a world-class creator who brought moments of brilliance and played a role (regardless of how big you deem it) in one of the club's most successful periods post-Invincibles.

Nonetheless, you can't help but feel there remains a sense of unfulfilled potential - both for the player and the club - which is why his legacy continues to divide opinion to this day.

I've never truly settled on where I stand on him.
For me its a story of what could have been had Wenger not been an absolute Dave ! He never gave Ozil the platform he needed, all we needed was that one beast of a DM next to him, to give him the license he needed to play his game and a but more quality up front and he would've been unstoppable.

Instead he was marginalised and blamed for all the teams ails. I am proud we bought him, its a chapter in Arsenal history that reminded us all how big a club we are !
 
Thats revisionist History. George Graham was sacked in February 95 - he last won the League in 91. The previous Season we had finished 10th.(94) It had NOTHING to do with playing defensive football.

He was technically dismissed because he was found to have accepted an illegal £425,000 payment (a "bung") from an agent regarding the transfers of John Jensen and Pål Lydersen.
Not revisionism at all. Did we not win 2 league titles, loads of cups and a Cup Winners Cup? Did we not take on the might of the best Liverpool team of all time and beat them? Was Graham not therefore adored by all Arsenal fans?
 
Not revisionism at all. Did we not win 2 league titles, loads of cups and a Cup Winners Cup? Did we not take on the might of the best Liverpool team of all time and beat them? Was Graham not therefore adored by all Arsenal fans?
Wenger got fired too. And without a court case into illegal payments.

My point stands Grahams sacking had NOTHING to do with playing defensive football.
 
Wenger got fired too. And without a court case into illegal payments.

My point stands Grahams sacking had NOTHING to do with playing defensive football.
Ok you misunderstood my point fair play.

What I am saying is we loved Graham but we were sick of his football but there is no way any fans would've called for him to be sacked. So when the bung scandal happened and he got sacked we all let out a collective sigh of relief cos otherwise he would've been there for another few years.
 
Ok you misunderstood my point fair play.

What I am saying is we loved Graham but we were sick of his football but there is no way any fans would've called for him to be sacked. So when the bung scandal happened and he got sacked we all let out a collective sigh of relief cos otherwise he would've been there for another few years.
I don’t know why narratives build up so easily in final.
George Grahams Arsenal team were not boring.
 
Jay, Jay, Jay, I was on the terraces week in week out in the 90s, I used to get free tickets cos my mate was an Arsenal schoolboy. The second half of his tenure was the most boring football I have ever seen, with the likes of David Hillier and Ian Selley in midfield. We used to sit and watch the games and literally couldn't tell you what just happened for the past 20 mins. It was boring as hell. I remember Wimbledon vs Arsenal in the Christmas period, a more biring fixture you would never find. Both teams playing long ball, awful game.
 
Jay, Jay, Jay, I was on the terraces week in week out in the 90s, I used to get free tickets cos my mate was an Arsenal schoolboy. The second half of his tenure was the most boring football I have ever seen, with the likes of David Hillier and Ian Selley in midfield. We used to sit and watch the games and literally couldn't tell you what just happened for the past 20 mins. It was boring as hell. I remember Wimbledon vs Arsenal in the Christmas period, a more biring fixture you would never find. Both teams playing long ball, awful game.

Ok sure - last couple of years maybe.
But when GG was winning titles we had players like Rocky Rocastle, Merson, Thomas, Marwood, Limpar, and one of the most elegant players I ever saw, Paul Davis... and then of course Wrighty joined us.
I loved watching those players.
 
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You guys are old as ****. <laugh>

I was born in the 80s but barely remember the George Graham era. My first footballing memory is the end of the 89 Season and then Italy 90.
 
Ok sure - last couple of years maybe.
But when GG was winning titles we had players like Rocky Rocastle, Merson, Thomas, Marwood, Limpar, and one of the most elegant players I ever saw, Paul Davis... and then of course Wrighty joined us.
I loved watching those players.
Aaaah now you are talking, that was exciting football, nothing boring about that !!
 
I could see it happening. The crazy thing though is Odegaard is still only 27 - he's had some injuries issues the last two Seasons but I still think he hasn't peaked yet.
I can't be frustrated for 3 seasons straight, if he is sold then I will actually have to change my opinion then that in fact the reason for his negativity on the pitch was himself and not Arteta's fault. I absolutely do not want to see Odegaard of the past 2 seasons playing for us next season.
 
We can not carry injury prone players.

Odegaard has been out too much and can no longer be relied upon.
Havertz and even Saka are also on the cusp of needing to be sold IMO. I love both these players, but we can not carry injury prone players no matter who they are. If you don't have the ability to play top flight football in the PL - which includes physical capability - you have no business being at a top club.
Injuries are fine, they happen, but persistent injuries? No.