Off Topic Migrant crisis

[The Pub Landlord]

I use the same dehumanising terms when talking about drugs dealers and *****philes. Do you think that is wrong as well?

 

[lardiman]

I use the same dehumanising terms when talking about drugs dealers and *****philes. Do you think that is wrong as well?

So all illegal migrants are no better than drug dealers and *****philes?

 

[Ubedizzytoo]

We're never going to see eye to eye on this.
Even though we're using the same language there is no understanding between us.

No point continuing to debate the subject in my view.
I just wish the people in question would not all be called scum, creatures, beings and all kinds of other insulting dehumanizing terms.
But I suppose you and others feel it is necessary.

I’ve called them criminal scum from the start and I still call them criminal scum now. Because that is what they are.

If you don’t consider them criminals then you are mistaken. They become criminals the moment they enter the UK without lawful authority.

And they are scum because they are the thin layer of unpleasant, repulsive humanity who taint the majority who try to abide by our laws and want to contribute to this country in a positive way. They defraud, they take without giving, they laze, they assault, they rape, they murder.

So criminal scum ? Yes, I can confirm that that’s how I see them, because that is what they are.

And again, don’t confuse who I am talking about with those who claim Asylum totally lawfully and with valid reason.

 

[lardiman]

Then there must be something wrong with me.
For not seeing the World the way that you do.

I'm not doing anything in this thread except digging my own grave.
When in a hole, it is best to stop digging.
See you on the rest of the forum. Cheerio...

 

[Ubedizzytoo]

Then there must be something wrong with me.
For not seeing the World the way that you do.

I'm not doing anything in this thread except digging my own grave.
When in a hole, it is best to stop digging.
See you on the rest of the forum. Cheerio...

I just wish that you would see, regardless of whether you agree or disagree with me on the specifics or the solutions, that just carrying on as we have been doing for the last 20 odd years or so, is and will completely change the orderly, civilised way of this country and inevitably lead to more criminality, violence and ultimately the breakdown of society as we have known it.

Perhaps the difference is in having children ?

If what I am predicting comes to pass, I know that I will probably just about be ok before I go to the worm God, but my daughters won’t be and if they have children in time, then my grandchildren certainly won’t be. That’s why I and others want action to be taken before it’s too late. There are horrendous nightmares ahead for future generations if we don’t act decisively over the next few years.

 

[The Pub Landlord]

So all illegal migrants are no better than drug dealers and *****philes?

Yes.

There are legitimate routes for refugees to claim asylum. The Vietnamese exodus was unique in that the South Vietnamese had nowhere to go except out to sea given that its neighbours, Cambodia and Laos, were Chinese satraps. To the best of my knowledge, although I am ready to be corrected, all other conflicts that created refugees had land based options for those fleeing. The pogrom of the Jews led us and the US to open our doors to survivors and also to create Israel after the war. Unfortunately that policy brought us Ralph Milliband, amongst other, but that's another story - analysis of those allowed in is something that interests me. It's not generally well known that Hitler offered the Jews Madagascar for resettlement but that this never came to pass - look it up. That would have saved many lives had it been accepted.

Anyway, I digress - this isn't about the Jewish issues of the 30s and 40s.

The current swarm of illegal immigrants are not fleeing from wars that have a land-based refugee option. They are bypassing the refugee system, which would weed them out, and working wih their local communities to raise money that will allow them to break in with the help of criminal traffickers, and get on the gravy train that will allow them to remit money home. There may be a few genuine cases amongst them but that begs theb question why theuy haven't applied through the proper channels.

So, again, I put them on the same level as drug dealers and *****philes without apology.