Right Honourable Angela Rayner

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Evil Jimmy Krankie said:
It’s the same wherever you go though. Here in Australia the prevailing method is to rubbish the other party.
The last general election there were a series of live debates between the two main party leaders , Albanese for Labor and Peter Dutton for the Liberals. Initially it was all “if you re-elect/elect us then we will do….” They eventually degenerated into “vote for us because the others are crap”.
I said it on the other Starmer/reeves thread as well. Politicians can’t be trusted. As James Herbert said “ghosts these days are a shoddy lot.” You can easily say the same about most politicians.
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For some time I’ve thought we just vote for the least worst or we vote for someone who won’t win
 
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Pure River Slut said:
For some time I’ve thought we just vote for the least worst or we vote for someone who won’t win
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I think there is a big element of voting for the best of a bad bunch or at least a protest vote. Although go back to Tony Blair winning. He was young and charismatic and used that to get votes. I honestly believed in that election Labour were voted in more on his looks and words and less on what Labour would do for the country.
 
Pure River Slut said:
My honest view is that the jury is out on Labour. They’re doing a a better job of many things like creating better services with a way to go. The stuff I want most - easing the cost of living for everyday people they have disappointed me. I’m not a fan of some decisions and I think the donor issue is what’s made Labour shy away from wealth taxes. As you say big donors are often tax avoiders in all parties and it’s a massive problem for our democracy at all levels. Im not particularly defending Labour. Rayner has walked into this mess and I’m disappointed because she’s one of the few that I like in government because she’s more connected to normal life. There are a number of people on here backing Reform though and this is the ultimate in double standard. Reform are backed by significant wealth who have insisted that their policy helps the richest pay less tax. To criticise this minuscule amount without opening your mind to the reality that Reform are legitimising not paying your share if you have obscene wealth is a massive irony. I fully understand concerns about Labour I’m merely pointing out that we have other options that might actually help everyday people which Reform won’t. I urge Labour to do better because they remain the best hope we don’t get a fascist grifter
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Honestly! Connected to normal life, buying a £800,000 house and stealing £40,000 off working people. Doesn’t sound like the normal people I know.
You have already started another post where you can write your list of reform voters<ok>
 
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Evil Jimmy Krankie said:
I think there is a big element of voting for the best of a bad bunch or at least a protest vote. Although go back to Tony Blair winning. He was young and charismatic and used that to get votes. I honestly believed in that election Labour were voted in more on his looks and words and less on what Labour would do for the country.
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I worked in local government then. The Blair government was great for service provision which gave a lot to communities. That side of them was amazing. As always getting too closely into bed with the USA was the biggest error. The migration I would stop is US corporations.
 
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rooch 3 said:
Honestly! Connected to normal life, buying a £800,000 house and stealing £40,000 off working people. Doesn’t sound like the normal people I know.
You have already started another post where you can write your list of reform voters<ok>
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I know you’re not one of them. She has had experiences that many MP’s haven’t had in their life.
 
Pure River Slut said:
I know you’re not one of them. She has had experiences that many MP’s haven’t had in their life.
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I know and she should have stayed on the path she was on.
But for some reason once they get there the free goodies are to hard to resist.
My mate probably had a100 bottles of Houses of Parliament whiskey in his under stairs cupboard, payed £10 a bottle for them,when I asked him why he wanted all them he said, because I can.
 
rooch 3 said:
I know and she should have stayed on the path she was on.
But for some reason once they get there the free goodies are to hard to resist.
My mate probably had a100 bottles of Houses of Parliament whiskey in his under stairs cupboard, payed £10 a bottle for them,when I asked him why he wanted all them he said, because I can.
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There’s a culture that needs to change. No doubt about it. Sounds like Farage is up there with the worst according to today’s news. He needs to go.
 
Raynor says this morning,
Coming from a council home as a teenage mum and climbing to the top was the greatest honour of my life.
Obviously not a great enough honour to stop you stealing £40,000 off the working class people you left behind though.
Hopefully this may be a lesson to others with their snouts in the trough
 
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rooch 3 said:
Raynor says this morning,
Coming from a council home as a teenage mum and climbing to the top was the greatest honour of my life.
Obviously not a great enough honour to stop you stealing £40,000 off the working class people you left behind though.
Hopefully this may be a lesson to others with their snouts in the trough
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Hopefully the media are going after the rest now.
 
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rooch 3 said:
He doesn’t need to go anywhere, people just need to be convinced not to vote Reform, Labour or Tory, that would be a good start.
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Well if she goes and he’s doing a worse version of the same ….this could be a pivotal moment in tackling tax avoidance if we make it that, but I agree with your point. There are parties who deserve better coverage but sadly don’t have the enormous financial backing.
 
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Evil Jimmy Krankie said:
It’s the same wherever you go though. Here in Australia the prevailing method is to rubbish the other party.
The last general election there were a series of live debates between the two main party leaders , Albanese for Labor and Peter Dutton for the Liberals. Initially it was all “if you re-elect/elect us then we will do….” They eventually degenerated into “vote for us because the others are crap”.
I said it on the other Starmer/reeves thread as well. Politicians can’t be trusted. As James Herbert said “ghosts these days are a shoddy lot.” You can easily say the same about most politicians.
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As a friend once said " I don't care who the next PM is, it will just be another politician "
 
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Iain said:
So she's innocent because Farage is worse is that what your point
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She has taken her punishment.

Farage is s as **** for clarification.

Given Tice’s comments last night I hope none of the Reformers on here are on benefits. :-) actually if Reform get power I hope they are.
 
rooch 3 said:
Raynor says this morning,
Coming from a council home as a teenage mum and climbing to the top was the greatest honour of my life.
Obviously not a great enough honour to stop you stealing £40,000 off the working class people you left behind though.
Hopefully this may be a lesson to others with their snouts in the trough
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I'm of the belief that "most" politicians have their noses in the trough..she was dumb enough to get caught. The financial benefits to becoming an MP are are good as you can make it happen for you...some get away some don't
 
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Northumberland Rocks said:
Hamas are despicable given the 7th October, but bombing civilians and starving kids has lost Israel any high ground it should have had, sadly.
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Hamas made their incursion into Israel knowing that Israel would retaliate in the way they did. It was a strategy they were banking on to get support from the western world. And it’s worked. We now have certain western governments who are going to recognise Palestine, which is still being run by Hamas, a terrorist organisation.
Do I think starving children is a good thing? Of course not, but Hamas, to achieve political ends, clearly do.
 
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Evil Jimmy Krankie said:
Hamas made their incursion into Israel knowing that Israel would retaliate in the way they did. It was a strategy they were banking on to get support from the western world. And it’s worked. We now have certain western governments who are going to recognise Palestine, which is still being run by Hamas, a terrorist organisation.
Do I think starving children is a good thing? Of course not, but Hamas, to achieve political ends, clearly do.
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As I have said what Hamas have done is despicable. Of course Isreal was going to retaliate as sadly in that part of the world it’s the only language most understand. However, bombing innocent civilians and starving kids is also despicable and Isreal only has itself to blame that countries are now reacting as they are.
 
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