WAR! What is it good for?

[brb]

There was a graphic I saw the other day that showed how many deliveries had either been denied or thwarted by Israel. They need safe passage from Israel to enter and I think that’s where they are being denied from carrying out their deliveries.

Also, Israel took command of the whole ‘aid’ distribution mechanism when they launched the GHF, with its catastrophic consequences for people trying to access aid

I don't really understand what is going on, I heard Israel say the food is there waiting to be delivered, then I heard the UN say it's not safe to deliver.....is that because the UN want a ceasefire declared first, and if so is that without conditions from Hamas?

 

[Solid Air 2]

He along with his MPs will eventually kowtow to the threat of violence from a significant number of constituents if they don’t recognise Palestine. It would be a pitifully weak decision and continues the trend of there being no expectation placed upon the noble savages who will be in charge along with doing very little for the Gazan public.

Rewarding terror while still being hated by the people you pander to. Solid work.

nah i gave it a good go and decided it wasn't for me

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

It’s not rewarding terror.

The Palestinian people have a right to self determination. That is a fundamental tenant that underpins all of this

The sooner Israel recognise that, the quicker everybody can move towards peace.

It’s exactly what it is. Before October 7th it was a niche topic virtually nobody gave a **** about.

 

[Citizen Kane.]

UK to recognise state of Palestine in September, unless Israel changes course, as per Keir on SKY News now.

I don't see what one has got to do with the other.

Typically moronic and illogical thinking by declining western powers.

 

[brb]

I don't see what one has got to do with the other.

Typically moronic and illogical thinking by declining western powers.

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[PINKIE]

I don't really understand what is going on, I heard Israel say the food is there waiting to be delivered, then I heard the UN say it's not safe to deliver.....is that because the UN want a ceasefire declared first, and if so is that without conditions from Hamas?

It’s convenient for Israel to say the food is there and then blame the UN for not delivering it. The UN were delivering food and aid for months in Gaza until Israel stopped it and then set up the GHF

they are now saying, go ahead and deliver it then, and at the same time denying safe routes, schedules, timings etc. basically ****ing up the logistics for safe delivery.

 

[Libby]

UK to recognise state of Palestine in September, unless Israel changes course, as per Keir on SKY News now.

Good move imo.

 

[PINKIE]

It’s exactly what it is. Before October 7th it was a niche topic virtually nobody gave a **** about.

I’ve been banging on about it for years on here.

 

[Saf]

Not disagreeing with anything here but why do people get excited about Starmer, Macron etc recognising a Palestinian state? It means absolutely **** all to the Israeli state.

If they decide to keep pushing on and wipe it off the map, what these European leaders going to do? Threaten him with the ****ing ICC, again?

I haven’t been keeping up-to-date with what’s been happening over there. The last I read was on here and maybe the BBC website at the time. Israel were allowing air drops of aid into Gaza and vans to go through that were carrying aid?

Did none of that happen? I hope it did, for the kids sake.

I’m still not sympathetic towards the adults out there mind. Apart from the ones who were openly celebrating, let’s not pretend the vast majority of the others wouldn’t have been delighted with what happened on October 7th.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

I’ve been banging on about it for years on here.

Yeah and nobody gave a ****.

 

[brb]

It’s convenient for Israel to say the food is there and then blame the UN for not delivering it. The UN were delivering food and aid for months in Gaza until Israel stopped it and then set up the GHF

they are now saying, go ahead and deliver it then, and at the same time denying safe routes, schedules, timings etc. basically ****ing up the logistics for safe delivery.

The last I heard on this topic, was the UN not Israel say it wasn't safe to deliver, so they weren't going to deliver it I assume.

My thought process at the time was, what is creating it not being safe? Hamas or Israel or both.

 

[Saf]

In an oven, I presume.

Is this Abe’s sock account?

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

The last I heard on this topic, was the UN not Israel say it wasn't safe to deliver, so they weren't going to deliver it I assume.

If it’s that important I’d probably just deliver it.

 

[PINKIE]

The last I heard on this topic, was the UN not Israel say it wasn't safe to deliver, so they weren't going to deliver it I assume.

Yeah that’s what I mean. Israel are saying crack on then, but will not offer the UN any of the logistics or safety that they need to deliver it

 

[Libby]

Good move imo.

Probably should have added that it won't change anything though.

 

[brb]

Is this Abe’s sock account?

I've no idea mate, I will have a look in a short while.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

Probably should have added that it won't change anything though.

That’s the main thing thankfully.

It won’t change anything there. It might just further embolden a few of our less pleasant Hamas fanatics here.

 

[brb]

Yeah that’s what I mean. Israel are saying crack on then, but will not offer the UN any of the logistics or safety that they need to deliver it

I don't get what safety though the UN needs as I've not heard that defined?

 

[PINKIE]

Just listening to Jeremy Bowen talking about seeing large swathes of northern Gaza being levelled. A lot of it by private demolition companies, clearing the way for areas that right wing nationalists in the Israeli govt have earmarked for Jewish settlements.

This, along with seeing a population being starved I think is why Starmer and co are now accelerating their stance on the issue of a Palestinian state, before there isn’t even one to secure.

 

[The RDBD]

Not disagreeing with anything here but why do people get excited about Starmer, Macron etc recognising a Palestinian state?

Because it means Palestine automatically
gets an energy shield dome impervious to all
Israeli weapons ??