I think it’s more important that a ceasefire and a peace process is prioritised in Palestine / Israel rather than what some Labour constituents in the UK think about it. I’m glad they are putting pressure on their MPs to do more though. It’s long overdue
Mate I'm not disputing anything you are saying. It was just my gut feeling that the UN were not being completely honest, so regardless of what the UN say, I think there's an under current of lies. The risks as I see it would Hamas attack, Israaeli attack in an area they don't know the UN are working or attack by civilians who are starving. How do you control all that, well tbph you don't, if you want to go in and help the kids, you have to take the risks, but my assumptions were that the UN don't want to take the risk, their lives must be more important than that of the kids., just ****ing get on with it I would say, but it's not my life on the line.
None of it has been helped by the fact that Netanyahu has been supplying arms to militant groups in Gaza who have links to Islamic state.
Yeah mate, it’s a ****ing mess in there right now. what I know is that there was a system in place that the UN had set up and then it’s all turned to **** as soon as the GHF was set up, with kids being shot dead as they went together get food. I can only imagine that the logistics in there right now are all over the place.
This will have a negligible impact though, so doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things, but there’s little to stop Hamas just saying no and being granted recognition. If anything we’re incentivising that while having no plans to pressure them into doing the bare minimum.
Logistics have completely broken down, and to be fair I can understand why. I can't even think of a way to resolve it, the best I can come up with is you get in a truck and just drive. You'll probably get looted, but you tried, if they want more, they let you go and return for another load, if they shoot you, then you can't come back with more lol....
I just heard Olmert say that Hamas are finished as a functioning unit, so I don’t even know if they have the means to impart any sort of control again anyway. If a Palestinian state is granted it will be on the back of no Hamas involvement anyway, the west will support the PA, likely alongside Egypt, Jordan and Qatar to establish a genuine Palestinian governance. The bottom line though is that a Palestinian state shouldn’t be dependent on whether Hamas exists or not.
Come on mate. I always fell on the Israeli side and I’m saying it’s 50/50. They need to do more and what’s happening to the kids out there is horrific. It should never have got to this stage. You’re even repeating what Israel are saying about aid getting in but being looted. When pushed on it though, instead of putting an ounce of blame on Hamas and the other terrorists, you’re continuing to blame Israel and Benny for all of it. Make it make sense to me.
I think you just have to get the aid in again. And that means the IDF working with the UN again. The Israeli govt have to work with the UN rather than against them for it to work. But yeah, it’s fraught with danger, at least initially.
I can't see the IDF wanting to put themselves at risk, they've done their bit, the UN have the supplies, now get on with it. I suppose Palestinians could get a group of drivers together, and say to the UN, we will take the trucks in...don't matter who those people are, can you drive a truck. Thing is you might not get the truck back, well until it's next used in a ram raid. Actually if they want their people fed, they will get the truck back, so it shouldn't be a problem really.
I’m not sure various inbred death cults mooching about will be terribly conducive to long term peace. There’ll be no expectations placed upon the Palestinian state and endless whinging when Israel dares to not roll over when attacked.
Okay I’ll try and make it make sense Hamas were clearly creaming some of the aid off for themselves. That imo was inevitable when they were so embedded in the fabric of Gaza, not saying it was as right, but at least most of the people who needed it were getting it. Israel wanted Hamas not to get any of it, so they stopped the UN from distributing the aid and set up the GHF which they thought would stop Hamas from getting it, but it ended up with women and kids being shot dead by people who were completely out of their depth trying to manage an inhumane and completely disfunctional system of aid delivery. At the same time, to try and thwart Hamas, Netanyahu starting funding and arming various gangs in Gaza who were opposed to Hamas, but inevitably that has now created a scenario where you have armed gangs, a rabble of what’s left of Hamas, and a horde of desperate people who are fighting over drips of aid. It’s basically become a free for all with no rules. Survival of the fittest or those who are best armed.
If the IDF were withdrawn from Gaza and it was left to the UN and Palestinians to get on with delivering aid I think the situation would improve. People don’t like to hear it, but it was the Hamas civil police force who were overseeing the UN aid before the GHF was set up. And yes I know that wasn’t perfect as some of it was being creamed off by Hamas fighters.
That or just the same level of expectation being placed on them to hold up their end of the bargain rather than being treated like an occasionally naughty toddler by cooing Westerners.
Yeah there has to a system in place for Palestine to hold to their end of the bargain. And that has to include Israel’s security. What it doesn’t mean though is that Israel’s security can continue to be used as a reason to quash Palestinian self determination and enact blockades, curfews and subjugation of the Palestinian people which is kind of why we’ve come to this situation in the first place ….
It shouldn't matter if the IDF are withdrawn from Gaza or not. You either want to get aid to the kids or you don't. Sounds to me mate you just want to create a political advantage and I don't think I've even seen anyone mention the Hamas civil police, so when you say people don't like to hear it, who we talking about here? A problem exists, famine, get on with it and just drive the trucks or get someone who will drive the trucks, Palestinian men, all I'm seeing is excuses. Just ****ing do it.
