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Welshie said:
Honestly I was more just reacting to Pinkie suggesting he wasn't biased and brb not responding to it.

Pinkie compared the Hamas hostage handover to IRA people standing around with balaclavas and in a previous life suggested Hamas were open to tourism and were big in water sports.
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I thought he said he was very pro palestinian?

I didn't feel the need to look beyond that tbph.
 
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Welshie said:
No lol you misquoted that to Fosse and have just ran with it. I just couldn't be arsed replying to you about it.

Cos you're on Team Hamas you have conveniently changed the scenario I gave to happening during negotiations which is obviously not what happened and everyone in the entire world knows it apart from a few on Not606. The botched hostage handovers where after negotiations concluded.

By changing it to "posturing during ceasefire talks" you tried to minimize a completely appalling and botched piece of politics from Hamas.

If CK suggested that bombing hospitals full of kids was "standard military practice" you'd rightly accuse him of minimizing an IDF war crime.
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They were still during the negotiations as it was a 3 phased ceasefire. Which is why Netanyahu and friends tried to use it as evidence of breaking the ceasefire.

Even then, the point stands that if negotiators want peace, then they should look beyond the pantomime and theatre of posturing and not let it derail peace talks

But, that is the nub. Netanyahu doesn't want peace.
 
Milk.. said:
Like all countries they have their problems. I think they have a lot of violence against women and a problem with rape culture and acid attacks. They also have a widespread problem with economic inequity. Like it or not though, they also have one of the largest military spendings, population, and GDP are are almost certainly going to be a major power 50 years from now.

Foreign policy though they've always kept their dicks out of conflicts which don't involve them, haven't invaded anyone and don't show any interest in expanding thier territory... they have a good history of democracy. I'm hoping as they develop they get some of their domestic problems in order and believe they have high potential to be a stabilizing power. Of course, power corrupts everyone, so once their voice is louder they could change track.
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They are a bunch of lunatics and there is ****ing billions of them...no, we don't need them becoming a superpower. They wouldn't stabilise anything.
 
PISKIE said:
They were still during the negotiations as it was a 3 phased ceasefire. Which is why Netanyahu and friends tried to use it as evidence of breaking the ceasefire.

Even then, the point stands that if negotiators want peace, then they should look beyond the pantomime and theatre of posturing and not let it derail peace talks

But, that is the nub. Netanyahu doesn't want peace.
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No that's a misunderstanding. Whilst the stages were ongoing, the negotiations had concluded and the ceasefire process was agreed. The dates are openly available, each stage was not negotiated separately like you're suggesting it wasn't phase 1 concluded, let's negotiate phase 2. It was all three stages agreed beforehand.

The agreement was drafted in May 2024
Agreement was sealed January 15th, 2025.
It went into effect January 18th, 2025.
And it expired March 18th, 2025.

The hostage handover went ahead after negotiations concluded, all three phases were agreed by both parties in 2024 and went into effect January 2025, any shows, bombings, deaths, etc post that date break the agreement, any delays, delayed the agreement.

Both sides have pages n pages of ceasefire violations, but Hamas' provocation during hostage handovers and botched handovers were absolutely after and not during negotiations.

Btw I discovered the bold button and quite like it tbh
 
Welshie said:
No that's a misunderstanding. Whilst the stages were ongoing, the negotiations had concluded and the ceasefire process was agreed. The dates are openly available, each stage was not negotiated separately like you're suggesting it wasn't phase 1 concluded, let's negotiate phase 2. It was all three stages agreed beforehand.

The agreement was drafted in May 2024
Agreement was sealed January 15th, 2025.
It went into effect January 18th, 2025.
And it expired March 18th, 2025.

The hostage handover went ahead after negotiations concluded, all three phases were agreed by both parties in 2024 and went into effect January 2025, any shows, bombings, deaths, etc post that date break the agreement, any delays, delayed the agreement.

Both sides have pages n pages of ceasefire violations, but Hamas' provocation during hostage handovers and botched handovers were absolutely after and not during negotiations.

Btw I discovered the bold button and quite like it tbh
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whatever dude, it’s semantics.

I agree that the hostage handover was a **** show, it was never a reason to go back to slaughtering innocent women and children though.
 
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Welshie said:
I think CK and Pinkie are both extremely biased to their own sides of the argument and since this thread kicked off neither has moved an inch from their original position.

CK glosses over most things involving Israel.

Pinkie glosses over most things involving Hamas.
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you probably moved up to 10th spot after this post
 
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Spurlock said:
you probably moved up to 10th spot after this post
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Got Welshie down for a late push into the Euro places when Netanyahu tries to forcibly removed Palestinians from their land and build Trump's casino
 
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Citizen Kane. said:
That is correct.

It wasn't the reason.
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It was one of the excuses Netanyahu used.

I think you know as well as I do that Israel never had any intention to pull the IDF out of Gaza

Phase 2 was dead in the water as far as Netanyahu was concerned from the moment Trump strong armed him into accepting the ceasefire.
 
Welshie said:
I think CK and Pinkie are both extremely biased to their own sides of the argument and since this thread kicked off neither has moved an inch from their original position.

CK glosses over most things involving Israel.

Pinkie glosses over most things involving Hamas.
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Mid-table stuff this like Brentford and Crystal Palace playing out a meaningless game in April. Last on Match of the Day.
 
PISKIE said:
India has got a space programme bro. They are a developed nation….

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couldn’t resist this one <laugh>
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Brian Cox said people often think we need to go into space because we will destroy the Earth, where he says it's the complete opposite, we need to expand into Space to protect Earth....maybe that's the idea, move India to the moon. <whistle>
 
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brb said:
Brian Cox said people often think we need to go into space because we will destroy the Earth, where he says it's the complete opposite, we need to expand into Space to protect Earth....maybe that's the idea, move India to the moon. <whistle>
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All the untouchables would be on the dark side of the moon, out of the way
 
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