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Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by FellTop, Nov 26, 2023.

  1. ned_werby

    ned_werby Well-Known Member

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    Possibly, but life's too short to never admit when you're wrong. It only makes you a) bitter & b) look stupid.
     
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  2. Bucky1989

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    the Wise Men Say podcast tagline
     
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  3. young2077

    young2077 Well-Known Member

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    My honest opinion is that if you proclaim a manager is going to be ****e and get sacked you are likely to be right and then you can tell all how you knew from day 1.
     
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  4. C Montgomery Burns

    C Montgomery Burns Well-Known Member

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    It's the law of probability. Most managerial jobs end in failure. I'm 51 and in my life I can only think of two managers who quit at the top, still successful winning trophies, going out on their terms. Bob Paisley and Alex Ferguson. So proclaiming someone as ****e and will get sacked isn't some great knowledge, just playing the law of probability that sooner or later a manager will fail and likely be sacked to look clever.
     
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  5. Robertson

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    Allardyce was the last of our managers that wasn't sacked if I remember correctly, with him getting the England gig. Any ideas for other ones?

    Edit - Alex Neil got poached by Stoke
     
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  6. GreyHorse

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    David Moyes resigned also.
     
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  7. FellTop

    FellTop Well-Known Member

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    Bob Paisley. My idea of the greatest ever gaffer. He was just a gentleman, a tactician and a master motivator. If I could dream of being a pro footballer in any era I would want to play for him at my club and Tele Santana as my national coach.

    Paisley was such a footballing brain. Folk talk about Clough, but to be completely frank I dont think he was in the same parish as Paisley. He was Shankly's tactician. Then he was his own reluctant tactician. Was it 3 European cups? When it was twice as hard to win a European cup. He stands alone on that stage.

    I talk a lot about coaches and coaching on here. Not many of yesterday's coaches woudlld thrive now in my opinion. Paisley would because he was a football thinker and inovator. A man who loved football players and was able to articulate ideas in simple terms. And players would do anything for him, anything. See him and Emlyn. He was in charge 10 years or more, cant remember. Won 2 or more trophies a year. Signed c20 players. Have a look at them, I bet 75% were stellar. Top man in our uk history was Bob. Under him Liverpool were a club the country could be proud of. Not so sure anymore.
     
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  8. young2077

    young2077 Well-Known Member

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    That's my point exactly mate, it's easy to claim a manager is going to fail because reality is out of all the teams and managers in the world a tiny percentage can be successful.

    I'm the opposite, I never know much about anyone we appoint and hope for the best!
     
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  9. C Montgomery Burns

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    Completely agree mate. Him, along with Shankly, Busby, Bill Nicholson are probably the ideal for managers and from an era that people don't appreciate just how good they were. Innovators, tacticians, motivators... The fact is players playing under them loved playing under them and you rarely heard of players criticising them. Probably the lingering affection and respect I have for Liverpool is down to Shankly and Paisley from being a kid. Depending on what you believe, the could easily have been Sunderland managers a couple of times in the 60s and always spoke affectionately about us. Today Liverpool F.C. and the supporters are quite an unlikable bunch.
     
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  10. LD19SAFC

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    Aye, 6 months too late
     
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  11. David Moyes' Stupid Face

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    I was so wrong about RLB, I think I said something along the lines of we were resigning ourselves to mid-table at best before a ball had been kicked <laugh> shows how much I know!
     
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  12. LD19SAFC

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    You aren’t the only one

    It’s still very early days mind.
     
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  13. LD19SAFC

    LD19SAFC Well-Known Member

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    The clown has himself a new job <laugh>

     
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  14. CR17

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    Just shuddered at the sight of him
     
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    Happy Anniversary! What a dark day that was :emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
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    And we were warned , it does make you wonder how much guesswork plays a part in all levels of football , an awful lot looking on as an outsider
     
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  17. CR17

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    I'm glad it seems the board have learned a lot from last season when it comes to managers and recruitment
     
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  18. Smug in Boots

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    Yet one of the best English players, in the last 20 years, seems to rate him highly ... strange.

    You'd imagine, with who Gerrard played for, he'd have a good appreciation of Beale's capabilities.

    Whatever the case he just didn't fit here but neither did Moyes who was great for Preston, Everton and West Ham ...

    ... he gave me the creeps, still does but so does Gerrard and Moyes tbh.
     
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  19. Scout73

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    It's because Beale is a good coach, but he's a shocking leader. That's what his issue was at rangers and us, he isn't an motivating person but is very good at setting up training drills

    He suits being a no2 or coach, where his focus is on the training drills and letting others do the motivating and setting the standards as he can't do that
     
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  20. clockstander

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    I agree, Its the great conundrum..
     
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