Match Day Thread Sunderland AFC v West Bromwich Albion - Tuesday 26th November 2024 - KO 20:00

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Sometimes you feel like you're fighting forces and nothing you do will get the ball to cross the line. Felt a bit like that last night and even when we finally scored it got chalked off.

Can anyone remember the old offside rule about "daylight" between the scorer and defender? What happened to that?
I mentioned that a while back, apparently it was never a rule but it was guidance to help the officials interpret the rule.
 
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Agree. Need to see it step up in Jan IMO. If he doesn't trust the bench, move them on and get some better quality in. Can not flog these young lads into the ground. Fatigue will set in massively and mistakes will be made. I would argue we have already seen that bite us a few times this season. Coventry and Millwall etc.

You can't be serious about fatigue costing us in those two games ...

... we've only played 17 games and just had two international breaks.
 
You can't be serious about fatigue costing us in those two games ...

... we've only played 17 games and just had two international breaks.

Yeah I can. Fatigue leads to errors. Errors lead to goals against. Young players struggle to meet the robustness of the league. Rigg for example has been poor in those games and most of his misplaced passes and turn over of the ball has happened in last 20 mins. Millwall he ended up with 55% passing accuracy ffs. He was out on his feet.

So yeah, I am dead serious.
 
Think we need a number 10 style player and wingers.

we’ve got Roberts Rigg and Mundle. When they aren’t firing we’ve got no one else

slightly concerned Rigg hasn’t registered an assist yet this season but I know that isn’t the be all and end all of his position because he does a lot of other work

but he’s been poorer the last few games
 
I would drop Dan and put Luke in there and leave Mepham and Ballard in behind him, he has been immense this season and doesnt deserve to be dropped, when he has played in central midfield before he was younger, less experienced and with poor quality central defenders behind him. He can use both feet and reads the game well from deep. Cant be any worse than Dan has been this season and I hate digging him out.

There's no chance O'Nien can play at CB...oh, well there's no chance he can play at RB...oh, well there's no chance he'll be good enough for the championship...oh, well there's no chance he can play DM...
 
I don't think they will mate. maybe spread the money over two or three signings will be the best we can hope for, in fact it may already have been spent, on deals like the Roberts contract, in which fingers have been burnt , large investments ie like for like is not part of the plan imo.

We can't buy like for like or anything close imo, £8/10m players aren't going to be signing for us in January. Would they be better than what we have at that price, I doubt it tbh.

And where do they come from ... failed in the PL, League One prospects, Europeans who may take months to settle in?

We currently have a squad we'd have no chance of affording now, some of whom have extended their contracts. Despite a few poor results, mistakes, etc, they all seem totally committed to the club. Perhaps I'm being naive but that team spirit is worth more than taking a chance on two or three replacements who may not fit in but who'd push some of our existing players back and perhaps knock their value.

I'm like everyone else and would love us to sign excellent new players, stay at the top and go up flying.

But the club have earned the right to do it their way imo ...

... let's be honest, we tried all the other ways and ended up in League One with a massive debt, dreadful squad and Charlie Methven running the show.
 
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We can't buy like for like or anything close imo, £8/10m players aren't going to be signing for us in January. Would they be better than what we have at that price, I doubt it tbh.

And where do they come from ... failed in the PL, League One prospects, Europeans who may take months to settle in?

We currently have a squad we'd have no chance of affording now, some of whom have extended their contracts. Despite a few poor results, mistakes, etc, they all seem totally committed to the club. Perhaps I'm being naive but that team spirit is worth more than taking a chance on two or three replacements who may not fit in but who'd push some of our existing players back and perhaps knock their value.

I'l like everyone else and would love us to sign excellent new players, stay at the top and go up flying.

But the club have earned the right to do it their way imo ...

... let's be honest, we tried all the other ways and ended up in League One with a massive debt, dreadful squad and Charlie Methven running the show.
Throw the book at kwame poku
 
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Yeah I can. Fatigue leads to errors. Errors lead to goals against. Young players struggle to meet the robustness of the league. Rigg for example has been poor in those games and most of his misplaced passes and turn over of the ball has happened in last 20 mins. Millwall he ended up with 55% passing accuracy ffs. He was out on his feet.

So yeah, I am dead serious.
Yep, bang on

Rigg is brilliant, a special talent but he must be protected.
 
Massively but I also think people judge it on him being our boy wonder (who has been class this season)

I love rigg, I've said several times he's the best youngster I've ever seen at the club but he's off it at the minute. I don't mind him starting games but there's got to be times when he is brought off when he's not on it

He's only 17 so he will have plenty of poor games, so nothing wrong with the odd rest
Funnily enough Scout, I thought Rigg was poor from the start, but excellent last half hour and our main threat if we were going to get a win.
As they say, it's all about opinions and I totally respect yours, I just seen his performance different from you last night
 
Some of the negativity on here is staggering, we are unbeaten in 10 and last lost a game on September 28th !!
We have to keep the faith with these lads, they are doing us proud, Sheff Utd will come at us on Friday which will be ideal for us, we will get chances and I reckon we will pick them off. Our defence is brilliant, they can keep them at bay no problem whilst our forwards will have more freedom than WBA allowed us.
 
Some of the negativity on here is staggering, we are unbeaten in 10 and last lost a game on September 28th !!
We have to keep the faith with these lads, they are doing us proud, Sheff Utd will come at us on Friday which will be ideal for us, we will get chances and I reckon we will pick them off. Our defence is brilliant, they can keep them at bay no problem whilst our forwards will have more freedom than WBA allowed us.
I just watched the highlights for their game against Oxford last night. My god oxfords number 3 at centre half was atrocious. Gave them 3 goals with his positioning

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Yeah I can. Fatigue leads to errors. Errors lead to goals against. Young players struggle to meet the robustness of the league. Rigg for example has been poor in those games and most of his misplaced passes and turn over of the ball has happened in last 20 mins. Millwall he ended up with 55% passing accuracy ffs. He was out on his feet.

So yeah, I am dead serious.

Surely they can only become tougher and more experienced by playing, seems to be working for Jobe.

It's either that or just buy older players and hold the younger ones back for longer.

Yep, bang on

Rigg is brilliant, a special talent but he must be protected.

People, including yourself iirc, were recently asking for Watson to play ...

... all players, of every age, make mistakes and have poor games, it's not always their age to blame.

The whole team looked ragged at Millwall, and against Coventry, because they had to option but to throw everything at us.

It's a young squad, growing together, I doubt Rigg, Watson, Jobe, etc, want 'protecting' ...

... they want to play and, if we don't allow them to they'll start to want moves away.

Funnily enough Scout, I thought Rigg was poor from the start, but excellent last half hour and our main threat if we were going to get a win.
As they say, it's all about opinions and I totally respect yours, I just seen his performance different from you last night

Quite right, despite a tiring week ...

... you'd think he'd become more tired, not less.
 
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Funnily enough Scout, I thought Rigg was poor from the start, but excellent last half hour and our main threat if we were going to get a win.
As they say, it's all about opinions and I totally respect yours, I just seen his performance different from you last night
I saw the same. Last 30 he seemed to get on the ball more and in some good spaces. He wasnt at his best, his touch was a little off at times for me.

One thing we need to be wary about is players as young as him are still growing physically. Less so height, although they can still grow through to 18 and beyond, but certainly in terms of muscle mass. This can mean a period of adjustment physically and mentally. The staff will be right across that at the club. Much harder to track is the mental fatigue. I do believe younger players can suffer that more. So much being taken in, so much experience and knowledge being gained, sometimes the brain needs a rest. No idea if that is the case with Rigg, but I certainly see someone 5 or 10% off where he was a few weeks ago. Rigg is the best young player I have seen come through our setup. He has everything going for him. I think he will play at the very highest level. I hope he is a bit disappointed in his form, it is his dip for me, chance to learn. One thing I believe in is we learn more from a tough period than an easy one.
 
I saw the same. Last 30 he seemed to get on the ball more and in some good spaces. He wasnt at his best, his touch was a little off at times for me.

One thing we need to be wary about is players as young as him are still growing physically. Less so height, although they can still grow through to 18 and beyond, but certainly in terms of muscle mass. This can mean a period of adjustment physically and mentally. The staff will be right across that at the club. Much harder to track is the mental fatigue. I do believe younger players can suffer that more. So much being taken in, so much experience and knowledge being gained, sometimes the brain needs a rest. No idea if that is the case with Rigg, but I certainly see someone 5 or 10% off where he was a few weeks ago. Rigg is the best young player I have seen come through our setup. He has everything going for him. I think he will play at the very highest level. I hope he is a bit disappointed in his form, it is his dip for me, chance to learn. One thing I believe in is we learn more from a tough period than an easy one.
Most of his touches second half were right in front of where I sit, on the eighteen yard line. I agree with you he did get crowded out occasionally, and he should have done better with his chance on goal, but most of his play in the last half hour was exceptional. I remember saying to my brother in law, he's seventeen, he shouldn't be able to do things like that :emoticon-0102-bigsm
 
Think we need a number 10 style player and wingers.

we’ve got Roberts Rigg and Mundle. When they aren’t firing we’ve got no one else

slightly concerned Rigg hasn’t registered an assist yet this season but I know that isn’t the be all and end all of his position because he does a lot of other work

but he’s been poorer the last few games
When in recent times has Roberts scored or provided assists on a regular basis ? , a talented entertainer but frustrating player who dare I say it needs competition for his place in the team .
 
I don't think they will mate. maybe spread the money over two or three signings will be the best we can hope for, in fact it may already have been spent, on deals like the Roberts contract, in which fingers have been burnt , large investments ie like for like is not part of the plan imo.

Seems abit silly when we're in such a good position for promotion to not just bite the bullet and bring in one or 2 big signings to get us over the finishing line.
We'll probably lose Jobe and possibly Rigg in the summer, Mepham will go back to Bournemouth, Isidor will also be back at his parent club and we'll have to build another Championship team capable of competing all over again.
Im guessing Cirkin, Ballard and Hume will have alot of interest too.
 
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Team for Sheff United? Think I’d go…

Patterson
Mepham - Ballard - O’Nien
Hume - Neil - Jobe - Cirkin
Rigg
Mayenda - Isidor
 
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