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Disco down under said:
I've been following and all I've seen from their fans is scorn to be honest.

I don't read/speak Dutch though so I might be getting a weirdly slanted opinion for a non-representative section of the internet.
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Nah thats fair enough mate I’d be surprised if anyone has kept up with him since he left Liverpool! Can’t say the Dutch league is one that interests me :emoticon-0102-bigsm just know Ajax went through a bit of a sh*t period from gambling on that league a fair bit and they seemed to improve a lot as the season went on.

I don’t think there’s really a wrong answer to this tbh I understand both sides of the argument and I wouldn’t be bothered if we did or didn’t bring him in, even though I think it would be a positive. Wouldn’t be the end of the world if we didn’t, as mentioned he’s 34 now and defo past his best. When he was at his best he was far too good for us though.
 
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alcoauth said:
Saudi money comes primarily from oil which is used by industrial nations to power their manufacturing as well as keeping homes and cities functioning, why are we mad at the Saudi's? Because they're Muslims and therefore have ethics that are different from ours? The whole thing is a house of cards.
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Yes, it's just because they're Muslims ...
 
E.T. Fairfax said:
The fact he put himself forward as footballs beacon of all thing moral, took the money in Saudi, then churned out the usual painted by numbers lies and excuses as to why he'd left his morals in England? Any other footballer i wouldnt have batted an eyelid but if there was one footballer in the whole world that I would have banked my house on of not even considering going to Saudi Arabia it would have been him.

I mean, on the one hand, sending messages of support to fellow footballers coming out as gay for example, then on the other, being a poster boy for, and accepting flipping great wodges of cash from, a society which would hand out death sentences instead.

In general he ended up making himself look a right cock.
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That sums it up perfectly for me.

Yes there are British workers who go to work in Saudi but they don't get up on their high horse lecturing other people about accepting homosexuals, etc, before they take their pieces of silver. He's as bad as the courageous Magpie rainbow warriors who marched through Newcastle then dropped their campaign like a stone when the Saudi money showed up.
 
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WorkyTicketFTM said:
Of course - but has he got much better since we came up? The goal is promotion and we need to set ourselves up as best possible to achieve that, and putting one older head amongst the talent we have shouldn’t be seen as a negative. Sam Morsy is 33 and was absolute head and shoulders above Dan Neil last season whilst having a relatively average career before last year.
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Yes he has massively improved, Neil would have done great in that Ipswich team last season doesn't mean Morsy is a better player than Neil tho

We were a mess last season and he was one of the few players that actually played well

Yes he's had a few poor games this season but he was good against Burnley (until the stupid red card), was good against Boro, Derby and Leeds

He was poor at Cardiff and Watford in particular tho
 
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WorkyTicketFTM said:
I don’t think that’s correct mate he only joined Ajax late January and they only lost 2 or 3 times in the league after he joined - ironically he wasn’t on the pitch for any of those losses. They had a torrid start to the season I think new manager came in and they finished fairly strong in comparison to their first half of the season iirc they were bottom or second bottom for a while and still managed europa league qualification which he’s played every game of this season I think.
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Only seen him a couple times for Ajax n he's been poor, from the guys I speak to over there they said he hasn't been great n that his legs have gone. They said the Dutch is probably ideally for him now as he doesn't get around the pitch like he used too (expected as someone gets older tho)
 
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Scout73 said:
Only seen him a couple times for Ajax n he's been poor, from the guys I speak to over there they said he hasn't been great n that his legs have gone. They said the Dutch is probably ideally for him now as he doesn't get around the pitch like he used too (expected as someone gets older tho)
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Especially carrying all that dosh in his pockets as well.
 
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Scout73 said:
Only seen him a couple times for Ajax n he's been poor, from the guys I speak to over there they said he hasn't been great n that his legs have gone. They said the Dutch is probably ideally for him now as he doesn't get around the pitch like he used too (expected as someone gets older tho)
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I thought he looked good against Jagiellonia in both legs but obviously a risk you take trying to re-introduce someone to a better level of football than they’re currently playing at. Not sure I agree on Neil looking great in that Ipswich team, he didn’t look great when we finished 6th and Morsy/Luongo got the basics spot on. If they didn’t then Ipswich wouldn’t have succeeded imo. If you remove Morsy and put Neil in there with his lack of understanding the basic defensive awareness required for that role they would’ve been a worse team, not to mention the experience Morsy brings.
 
WorkyTicketFTM said:
I thought he looked good against Jagiellonia in both legs but obviously a risk you take trying to re-introduce someone to a better level of football than they’re currently playing at. Not sure I agree on Neil looking great in that Ipswich team, he didn’t look great when we finished 6th and Morsy/Luongo got the basics spot on. If they didn’t then Ipswich wouldn’t have succeeded imo. If you remove Morsy and put Neil in there with his lack of understanding the basic defensive awareness required for that role they would’ve been a worse team, not to mention the experience Morsy brings.
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Neil walks into that Ipswich side of last season no doubt at all

They got promoted because of a brilliant manager

Morsy was good for them but put him in our team last season and I bet he would have been poor (or at least a lot lot worse than he was for Ipswich)
 
alcoauth said:
Yes, ignore the rest of my post. :1980_boogie_down:
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You ignored everything people said and suggested they're only upset because the Saudis are Muslims.

You made a ridiculous suggestion and I answered it sarcastically ...

... if you want decent responses you have to ask reasonable questions.

And that's my last word, like it or not, I'm not getting into a month long hair splitting saga about the meaning of words which leaves common sense behind and ignores the actual point.
 
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Smug in Boots said:
You ignored everything people said and suggested they're only upset because the Saudis are Muslims.

You made a ridiculous suggestion and I answered it sarcastically ...

... if you want decent responses you have to ask reasonable questions.

And that's my last word, like it or not, I'm not getting into a month long hair splitting saga about the meaning of words which leaves common sense behind and ignores the actual point.
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Hendo bad because he takes evil oil money.

Oil money evil because Saudi regime is immoral and does bad things, doesn't support pride month, because they're Muslims.

That's it. That's all it is.
 
Wouldn't surprise me if he ended up at somewhere like Wrexham, and they can clearly pay wages.
 
Scout73 said:
Neil walks into that Ipswich side of last season no doubt at all

They got promoted because of a brilliant manager

Morsy was good for them but put him in our team last season and I bet he would have been poor (or at least a lot lot worse than he was for Ipswich)
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McKenna undoubtedly brilliant but we know this division isn’t that easy. Why has nobody signed Neil if he’s THAT good? Especially Ipswich when they were hoovering up championship talent. He’s not got long on his contract either I don’t think so wouldn’t be much. Our fans speak of him playing for England one day, as long as I have a hole in my arse he will not get a call up. He’s not a young lad anymore. The top teams in the PL are fielding players of a similar age who are much much better. As for England - Rice and Gallagher are only two years older than him yet bags of PL/european experience and Mainoo/Wharton both younger yet playing a level above. I just don’t see where this apparent big move he could get is coming from.
 
WorkyTicketFTM said:
McKenna undoubtedly brilliant but we know this division isn’t that easy. Why has nobody signed Neil if he’s THAT good? Especially Ipswich when they were hoovering up championship talent. He’s not got long on his contract either I don’t think so wouldn’t be much. Our fans speak of him playing for England one day, as long as I have a hole in my arse he will not get a call up. He’s not a young lad anymore. The top teams in the PL are fielding players of a similar age who are much much better. As for England - Rice and Gallagher are only two years older than him yet bags of PL/european experience and Mainoo/Wharton both younger yet playing a level above. I just don’t see where this apparent big move he could get is coming from.
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We have had offers in him for him tho, I know this for a fact

Just because he is still with us doesn't mean he hasn't developed

Do I think he will play for England? No I don't, but I also wouldn't be surprised if he does - some people develop at different times. When Kane was a youngster no1 thought he was going to turn into the goal machine that he's become.

Neil is a very good Championship CM, who has continued to develop yr on yr - but because he's had a few poor games this season Some are totally writting him off
 
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No I'm not gonna ask for a tin helmet....


Yes we all agree that his choice was wrong,....and on so many moral levels, right?

But can we all just not castigate him ffs !...... instead, can we not just simply 'kind of' accept his own reasons why?

Surely.......do you all hate him this much for taking rotten money/....Yes we all know what he was chosen to represent as an England Capt...

However, he might be your Son....so do you shun him when he comes home?




Yes we have moved on, but lads we are so lucky to have a mint selection of MF options, but....
last year we did not !

One of our own - thrown to the wolves eh?

....Nice !

How many of us would have - at least welcomed him back as a player or as a coach?

none of you....

ps, be gentle I'm in dock x
 
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