Off Topic Politics Thread

[Osvaldorama]

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8 police officers injured and weapons confiscated by “anti-racism” protestors.

If this was people with St George’s flags Keir Starmer would be addressing the nation and throwing them all in the gulag.

Instead they call it “minor antisocial behaviour”.

The two tier political policing agenda continues

 

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You say that but all the talk from the bubble that has been doing that is more of the same. While racist thugs jump on something as an excuse to make their point the blob is quite happy to jump on this minority's actions now exposed as an excuse to try and tie in all opponents to their world viewpoint as being responsible for it be it twitter, politicians that don't bow down to wholesale woke values and all sorts more!

It was noticeable up there in a post from someone that they quoted 3 supposedly right wing newspapers as "having a lot to answer for" while nothing is said about favoured publications constant tactic of linking all and sundrie they don't share views with as being on the wrong side of history or as far right and linking all their "opponents" on the political spectrum to anything that happens! It is a 2 way thing and the left publications/influencers have as much to answer for.

Also we see Brexit to blame again. I hate to tell you but there are not 17.4m on the streets nor 17.4m that have these viewpoints yet here we are again linking the couple hundred idiots in each town to the millions that voted the wrong way!

No mentions of the now visible 2 tier policing where right wing thugs are kettled and stopped from doing things (quite rightly) but at Harehills and now in these riots the police have stood off when it is not the right wing thugs on the charge! Yesterday they stood off a large group of asians rather than give them the same treatment as the whitey blighty hooligans while they threatened white journalists reported in the area. If we are wanting to rid this "them" and "us" stuff them treat people the same otherwise you quite literally are saying "they" get treated differently to "us."

Tory austerity is to blame. Another nugget. So it isn't the narrative of the past decade or so glorifying riots if they are on the "progressive" agenda? The London Riots were pretty much blamed on other issues in 2010. Can that be blamed on Tory Austerity? It was almost glossed over by many on the left as being a desperate response to people's situations when the reality was it was thicko thugs that jumped on the chance to smash things up and loot.

BLM inspired riots in the US? glossed over beccause of the favoured agenda. People who agree with this stuff seem unable to see past their own noses and do not seem to notice how they dismiss some things while then getting very angry about others.

Just watch over the next week all this tough talk which will end up with political influencers and politicians try to hook all this stuff up so they can close down freedoms "to protect freedom" and the whole "save democracy" BS by which they mean of course to stop their opponents. We were already on the slippery slope to some Ayn Rand Scenario where the narrative no longer needs controlling because that is the only narrative and they are already talking about measures that they have spent decades criticising China and authoritarian countries of doing.

Closing down free speech to stop a few hundred nobs is not what this is about. they are seizing the opportunity to do a China and ban X or social media platforms that don't play ball with the state's chosen mantra. and anyone on here or elsewhere that parrots this nonsense is party to this and happy for the world to be authoritarian, control what you can say, do, think because it matches their idea of freedom.......meaning not freedom. Clonedom.

Authorities should stop politiking on this, crack down on everyone that breaks the law, not pick and choose but not utilise these idiots actions as a premise to shut down any dissent with the bubble's mantras.

Attacking mosques is quite obviously a racist attack. Deal with it properly for what it is not try and extrapolate the actions of a few onto the masses with such draconian measures. Some people above do seem to think this is representative of a much larger body of the populace than it is. I daresay some might think a million or millions are closet racists but they are wrong. And while we can still get better the UK is a much better country on the racism front than virtually anywhere else in the world if people would stop thinking it was a cesspit of racial hatred and actually watched what is happening in other countries.

This is one of the reasons so many people cross Europe to get here. Not because of benefits or other minutae detail that is painted as why folk are against immigration. They cross that channel because the UK is the preferred choice of country because of its record on racism. And that record is nothing to do with enforcement. It is to do with the populace of this country being much more "tolerant" than we see across Europe and definitely the US!

If you want to see the problem of this country twitter is pretty much the best place to start. The focus is on the right wing statements / influencers but is far outweighed by the "centrists" and left wingers that want authoritarian rule and a clampdown on anything that ain't their own vision and has been since way before Musk. Twitter is after all dominated by left wing commentariat and media folk as their tool of choice to speak to their echo chambers. Most of the far right lot are on facebook! yet they see their chance to take on Musk here, they don't care about the issue at hand. Like the rioters are utilising events as an excuse to do their ****, these right on folks are utilising events to "get their twitter back." They want to control the town square.

Nice rant...

 

[ChilcoSaint]

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8 police officers injured and weapons confiscated by “anti-racism” protestors.

If this was people with St George’s flags Keir Starmer would be addressing the nation and throwing them all in the gulag.

Instead they call it “minor antisocial behaviour”.

The two tier political policing agenda continues

Funny how it’s time-stamped 23:37 and you posted it at 21:41

Try again

 

[ImpSaint]

“In towns like Telford & Rotherham, little girls as young as 9 were branded “child prostitutes”, “p*ki shaggers” and “white sl*gs”.

Police, politicians, and the media shamed victims of Pakistani-Muslim grooming gangs into silence due to "nervousness about race".

Authorities failed.https://x.com/samanthataghoy/status/1820936163969970611?s=46
Over and over.”

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Even the media was complicit. They called girls as young as NINE prostitutes.

I just saw the above was posted by one of the victims of the grooming gangs. She was continually raped when she was 12-13 by up to a dozen men at a time.

https://x.com/samanthataghoy/status/1820936163969970611?s=46

Her story is insane. Disgusting. But also important to hear if you really want to understand why the tensions are so high.

Stuff like this is why people are angry now. And why the government needs to listen to peoples concerns instead of demonising them.

The grooming gang was protected by the same two tier policing that we are seeing now. The police and government must act to treat all criminals equally.

I'm not 100% oon your use of language really but what you are saying on this issue doesn;t go far enough IMO. This is not just an example of 2 tier policing. This scandal exposed not just the police but Rotherham council on this issue as they also backed off and compounded by the Labour party when Sarah Champion was sacked for saying so when she was the Shadow equalities minister when she said (quite honestly) "Britain has a problem with British Pakistani men raping white girls" and this was well after it was exposed that it wasn't just Rotherham that had "ingored" the problem. Other grooming gangs had already at this point been exposed in many other towns and cities.

This stuff is fuelled from the top, not just from the police. Policemen and women on theiir own do not decide the tactics that will be used. That is decided upon by the top police on advice from the policy makers above them!

 

[ImpSaint]

Nice rant...

But true. the whole chatterati should take a look at itself and stop pointing at those that don't nod their heads at them. They are all about dividing people. They don;t care about cohesion. They care only about aligning everything and everyone to their own simple agendas.

 

[Osvaldorama]

I'm not 100% oon your use of language really but what you are saying on this issue doesn;t go far enough IMO. This is not just an example of 2 tier policing. This scandal exposed not just the police but Rotherham council on this issue as they also backed off and compounded by the Labour party when Sarah Champion was sacked for saying so when she was the Shadow equalities minister when she said (quite honestly) "Britain has a problem with British Pakistani men raping white girls" and this was well after it was exposed that it wasn't just Rotherham that had "ingored" the problem. Other grooming gangs had already at this point been exposed in many other towns and cities.

This stuff is fuelled from the top, not just from the police. Policemen and women on theiir own do not decide the tactics that will be used. That is decided upon by the top police on advice from the policy makers above them!

Just want to be clear - that wasn’t my language. That was directly from the victim.

I also wasn’t posting that to tar everyone with the same brush.

I posted it because I think it’s important to give some context to those who call everyone far-right gammons and laughing off the anger of half the country

 

[Osvaldorama]

Funny how it’s time-stamped 23:37 and you posted it at 21:41

Try again

Im in Scandinavia so I’m 2 hours ahead

 

[ImpSaint]

Just want to be clear - that wasn’t my language. That was directly from the victim.

I also wasn’t posting that to tar everyone with the same brush.

I posted it because I think it’s important to give some context to those who call everyone far-right gammons and laughing off the anger of half the country

People who call anyone who disagrees with them or votes a different way "Gammon" of any other number of silly names, show their true colours each time they say it. They may not be smashing stuff up or doing criminal activities but they are bigots....of course the right kind of bigots but still! They love sterotyping while complaining about stereotyping.

I generalise and might call someone lefty or leftist or remainers (often tongue in cheek as a poke the bear) but most of the people who use these terms sit fully behind their opinon and seem to think everybody that has opposing view in anny way is a nasty piece of work. And while they chide Musk and others for their "words and language" are quick to somehow give themselves a free pass when it comes to their own "words and language."

 

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But true. the whole chatterati should take a look at itself and stop pointing at those that don't nod their heads at them. They are all about dividing people. They don;t care about cohesion. They care only about aligning everything and everyone to their own simple agendas.

Everything you have said, and I mean everything, is tilted towards a left vs right dynamic with zero attempt to find middle ground or to understand with sensitivity what people here are saying. Again and again the people here have called these rioters extremists and not representative of British views, yet you make wild statements about us thinking there are millions of them, and suggesting there really is some culture war being fought by anyone but social media losers...

Mate, you are a hypocrite. How about you stop sensationalising life and realise that most people do live in the comfortable middle. Even we lefties on here see nuance. There is plenty of healthy discussion about culture and immigration - until one of a small number of people comes on and starts using offensive language and childlike insults. Sometimes that is Jabbo. Normally it is someone else.

But grow up and start living how you preach.

 

[San Tejón]

Robert Jenrick thinks anyone shouting Allahu Akbar (meaning God is greater or God is the best), should be arrested.
Should people who say the same in English, French, Italian or any other language be arrested too, or should it just apply to Muslims?
Yet more Tory racism.

 

[ChilcoSaint]

People who call anyone who disagrees with them or votes a different way "Gammon" show their true colours each time they say it. They may not be smashing stuff up or doing criminal activities but they are bigots....of course the right kind of bigots but still! They love sterotyping while complaining about stereotyping.

I’m just taking the piss out of the thick fascist idiots who believe the **** that Waxy-Lemon and Human Trafficker Boy tell them. Sorry if that’s stereotyping all thick fascist idiots.

 

[Tupac]

Im in Scandinavia so I’m 2 hours ahead

I hope the Finnish people aren’t showing you any hostility, as a foreigner in their country.

 

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Which part of Scandinavia is two hours ahead???

 

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Which part of Scandinavia is two hours ahead???

I just realised Tupac answered this.

 

[Che’s Godlike Thighs]

“In towns like Telford & Rotherham, little girls as young as 9 were branded “child prostitutes”, “p*ki shaggers” and “white sl*gs”.

Police, politicians, and the media shamed victims of Pakistani-Muslim grooming gangs into silence due to "nervousness about race".

Authorities failed.https://x.com/samanthataghoy/status/1820936163969970611?s=46
Over and over.”

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Even the media was complicit. They called girls as young as NINE prostitutes.

I just saw the above was posted by one of the victims of the grooming gangs. She was continually raped when she was 12-13 by up to a dozen men at a time.

https://x.com/samanthataghoy/status/1820936163969970611?s=46

Her story is insane. Disgusting. But also important to hear if you really want to understand why the tensions are so high.

Stuff like this is why people are angry now. And why the government needs to listen to peoples concerns instead of demonising them.

The grooming gang was protected by the same two tier policing that we are seeing now. The police and government must act to treat all criminals equally.

There's a very large number of white British men who go to South East Asia in order to have sex with underage children. Do you think those countries should ban British people from going on holiday there?

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

From my bro in Brighton:

love Brighton. the small group of Nazis who turned up have been accompanied back to the station by police and a gay brass band playing 80’s pop.

 

[ImpSaint]

Everything you have said, and I mean everything, is tilted towards a left vs right dynamic with zero attempt to find middle ground or to understand with sensitivity what people here are saying. Again and again the people here have called these rioters extremists and not representative of British views, yet you make wild statements about us thinking there are millions of them, and suggesting there really is some culture war being fought by anyone but social media losers...

Mate, you are a hypocrite. How about you stop sensationalising life and realise that most people do live in the comfortable middle. Even we lefties on here see nuance. There is plenty of healthy discussion about culture and immigration - until one of a small number of people comes on and starts using offensive language and childlike insults. Sometimes that is Jabbo. Normally it is someone else.

But grow up and start living how you preach.

It is not tilted as a left/right dynamic. It is tilted against those that control the narrative, want to continue to control the narrative and want to decide what is left and right. It is they who make no attempt to find a centre ground. They set the terms of debate and they decide by the day who is on the left and right dependent on what they decide is "right or wrong."

I think you;ll find that I am far from a "righty" and I would suggest I am comfortably in the middle too. I bear no ill to anyone and want to see criminals prosecuted not cherry picking based on some identarian nonsense. People think differently to each other and that is not a crime unless they cross the line with their actions. There is far too much finger pointing from the supposedly left wing at political opponents whether they be politicians or influencers with seemingly no reflection on their fellow "left wingers" which to me shows they aren't really a believer in what they are saying but merely utilising an opportunity to politik instead.

And sorry, the way words are bandied about on here and other places does lead to an impression that certain people think the country is over-run by racist nut-jobs.

This will only get worse once the organised "anti-facists" start bussing their lot in. As stated earlier in this thread. These thugs were outweighed by opposition protestors and the vast majority of those will be normal local people opposing the thugs not Antifa types. These normal people will be a mix of leavers and remainers, left wing and right wing, Tory and Labour (or other) voters. A mix of normal folks and they are representative of Britain!

Once the Antifa types start mobilising it will turn into war on the streets if the police and government can't get a handle on this and quick. There are plenty of "left wing" thugs rearing for a ruck and they are just as bad.

People need to wake up and realise that the UK is not some cesspit hotbed of racists. The numbers in these riots tend to give a clue when we are talking about "50 people" or couple of hundred max in some cases! Outnumbered by locals even when the majority of locals will be staying indoors out of the way. This is a tiny minority that needs clamping down on and not presented as some massive problem representative of a much larger quantity of people.

This country is not the bad country that many want to paint it as. It has its problems, mainly to do with money as it always is but on the racism front it is a small minority that needs locking up the minute they cross that line.

 

[ImpSaint]

Everything you have said, and I mean everything, is tilted towards a left vs right dynamic with zero attempt to find middle ground or to understand with sensitivity what people here are saying. Again and again the people here have called these rioters extremists and not representative of British views, yet you make wild statements about us thinking there are millions of them, and suggesting there really is some culture war being fought by anyone but social media losers...

Mate, you are a hypocrite. How about you stop sensationalising life and realise that most people do live in the comfortable middle. Even we lefties on here see nuance. There is plenty of healthy discussion about culture and immigration - until one of a small number of people comes on and starts using offensive language and childlike insults. Sometimes that is Jabbo. Normally it is someone else.

But grow up and start living how you preach.

And I do live how I preach I live contentedly on the breadline in a council house with my mixed race family in harmony. I don't rail against people. I rail against authorities that do not care about real life at all because all they care about is controlling an invisible right or wrong narrative in the media.

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

It is not tilted as a left/right dynamic. It is tilted against those that control the narrative, want to continue to control the narrative and want to decide what is left and right. It is they who make no attempt to find a centre ground. They set the terms of debate and they decide by the day who is on the left and right dependent on what they decide is "right or wrong."

I think you;ll find that I am far from a "righty" and I would suggest I am comfortably in the middle too. I bear no ill to anyone and want to see criminals prosecuted not cherry picking based on some identarian nonsense. People think differently to each other and that is not a crime unless they cross the line with their actions. There is far too much finger pointing from the supposedly left wing at political opponents whether they be politicians or influencers with seemingly no reflection on their fellow "left wingers" which to me shows they aren't really a believer in what they are saying but merely utilising an opportunity to politik instead.

And sorry, the way words are bandied about on here and other places does lead to an impression that certain people think the country is over-run by racist nut-jobs.

This will only get worse once the organised "anti-facists" start mussing their lot in. As stated earlier in this thread. These thugs were outweighed by opposition protestors and the vast majority of those will be normal local people opposing the thugs not Antifa types. These normal people will be a mix of leavers and remainers, left wing and right wing, Tory and Labour (or other) voters. A mix of normal folks and they are representative of Britain!

Once the Antifa types start mobilising it will turn into war on the streets if the police and government can't get a handle on this and quick. There are plenty of "left wing" thugs rearing for a ruck and they are just as bad.

People need to wake up and realise that the UK is not some cesspit hotbed of racists. The numbers in these riots tend to give a clue when we are talking about "50 people" or couple of hundred max in some cases! Outnumbered by locals even when the majority of locals will be staying indoors out of the way. This is a tiny minority that needs clamping down on and not presented as some massive problem representative of a much larger quantity of people.

This country is not the bad country that many want to paint it as. It has its problems, mainly to do with money as it always is but on the racism front it is a small minority that needs locking up the minute they cross that line.

This is true, tbf.

 

[ImpSaint]

I’m just taking the piss out of the thick fascist idiots who believe the **** that Waxy-Lemon and Human Trafficker Boy tell them. Sorry if that’s stereotyping all thick fascist idiots.

Gammon is used across the internet whenever someone discloses they didn't vote or intend not to vote the "correct" way! It isn't reserved for "thick fascist idiots" unfortunately. Wouldn;t be too much of a problem if people were only using to brand the select few but it is used to paint any opponent.

Darlings of the left are instantly branded right wing the minute they diverge (Russell Brand?)

Nasty piece of works like Alistair Campbell are forgiven and given mass exposure because "they are on message."

"Tory Scum" become left wing icons when "they are on message" (Rory Stewart.)

We live in an age where memory only counts when necessary and if you are on message today you are great, off message tomorrow you are suddenly right wing (catch all term now for not being on message.) It is all now meaningless.