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flandersmackem said:
Again, I am assuming, like me you're not involved in football recruitment. But lets look at recruitment from a border picture. You draw a short list of people you feel can do the job. You then grade them 1st choice, 2nd choice etc etc. If for any reason your first choice decides he doesn't want the job...then you go down your list. What you don't do, is let your first choice dictate the length of time he feels he should fanny about making his mind up...then your 2nd and 3rd pick may well have gone elsewhere.
If you feel that people on here think this is an easy process I think you're wrong. I also cannot believe you feel the need to defend how the club have made a total bollocks of this process. If the Will Still story is correct ( all guess work) then the club is at fault for letting it drag on. If that wasn't the case, then what possible excuse other than a clear lack of a professional approach can you attribute to this delay.
Done correct, recruitment is that simple...but as the old saying goes..fail to prepare then prepare to fail,
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I'm quite happy to politely debate everything you've said but, before I do, can I just ask ...

... do you work in an office environment?
 
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flandersmackem said:
Not anymore, I'm retired...but I have managed/run companies in various countries in a variety of industries.
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Thanks, I'm just trying to get my head round your thought process with all this.

So, have you ever chased prospective employees working for other similar companies, have you asked them to move from one end of the country to another or even change countries ...

... and has the offer only been for a few years guaranteed?
 
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Smug in Boots said:
Thanks, I'm just trying to get my head round your thought process with all this.

So, have you ever chased prospective employees working for other similar companies, have you asked them to move from one end of the country to another or even change countries ...

... and has the offer only been for a few years guaranteed?
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In the last 11 years in the UAE..many times. The process was as I outlined. The roles I recruited for were high profile positions. The key (imho) is to manage the situation not let the person you want manage you. But to answer your question yes I have
 
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flandersmackem said:
explain the different process then?.... you appear to have the inside track on this
And by the way, I have adopted this process for CFO's and General managers in the past...not bus drivers
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Not sure what you have against Bus Drivers, but I can assure you they deserve the same respect in the recruitment process as a CFO or a General Manager.

If you have recruited for such lofty positions as you appear to be boasting of (not sure why) then you'll understand that most jobs are advertised, have applicants who are then shortlisted and interviewed. Recruiters score the applicants and make an offer at which point salary and T&Cs are discussed. Often recruiters will have to go to a 3rd or 4th choice applicant.

Football is a whole different ball game at the elite level. Jobs are never advertised, nor do they have a list of acceptable qualifications/experience (outside the usual coaching licenses).
Usually clubs will draw up a list of candidates from the usual set of coaches on the circuit OR they'll go off piste and look at foreign markets based on recommendations or referrals.

Is that succinct enough for you?
 
TopCat_ said:
Not sure what you have against Bus Drivers, but I can assure you they deserve the same respect in the recruitment process as a CFO or a General Manager.

If you have recruited for such lofty positions as you appear to be boasting of (not sure why) then you'll understand that most jobs are advertised, have applicants who are then shortlisted and interviewed. Recruiters score the applicants and make an offer at which point salary and T&Cs are discussed. Often recruiters will have to go to a 3rd or 4th choice applicant.

Football is a whole different ball game at the elite level. Jobs are never advertised, nor do they have a list of acceptable qualifications/experience (outside the usual coaching licenses).
Usually clubs will draw up a list of candidates from the usual set of coaches on the circuit OR they'll go off piste and look at foreign markets based on recommendations or referrals.

Is that succinct enough for you?
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Not boasting at all, simply outlining my experience...also nothing against bus drivers...which you brought up in the first place.

But reading your reply, you do seem to be involved with football recruitment...well in your head you do anyway...
 
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flandersmackem said:
Not boasting at all, simply outlining my experience...also nothing against bus drivers...which you brought up in the first place.

But reading your reply, you do seem to be involved with football recruitment...well in your head you do anyway...
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Nope, I have no involvement in football other than as a fan. I DO have a brain in my head though and can see the obviousness of what is in front of me. Nor am I clouded by an agenda that stops me seeing sense.
 
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