Off Topic Migrant crisis

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Ponders Revisited said:
Stick the illegal migrants in camps, then sort the wheat from the chaff. We don't need criminals from other countries, for we have enough of our own to worry about.

A proper system run by competent officials would know who has come to work and strive and who has come to ponce off of us taxpayers.

A shoddy, broken system allows all and sundry to come here unchecked. We can't sustain current levels of migration and nor should we.

Yes, many come from abroad to work in the NHS etc. We should cherish such individuals. They deserve our gratitude. But never will I accept the dross wandering in to do us harm and drain our resources. Never.
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The problem with that though, is that once they’re here we can’t send them back anywhere (apart from the odd handful).

They have to be prevented from getting here in the first place.

The ONLY way to do that initially, is to turn the boats back at sea. After a very short while they will stop coming as they’d know there would be no point. If we were prepared to take that first step then this could be solved very quickly.
 
The Penguin said:
I'm happy to agree to disagree <ok>
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Genuine, non-argumentative question - with what bit ?

I wasn’t trying to deny or negate the long term threat of rising temperatures, just saying that it isn’t the most immediate problem and actually by dealing with the most immediate problem we would be putting in place a way of responding to the migrations that may come later with the rising temperatures.
 
Ubedizzy2 said:
Genuine, non-argumentative question - with what bit ?

I wasn’t trying to deny or negate the long term threat of rising temperatures, just saying that it isn’t the most immediate problem and actually by dealing with the most immediate problem we would be putting in place a way of responding to the migrations that may come later with the rising temperatures.
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I think that they will keep coming whatever, but time will tell.
 
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The trouble is, your average English man has become soft, flabby and utterly unwilling to put his head above the parapet. Apathy has well and truly set in. All people care about is money and property and possessions, yet those things mean nothing if everything else is going to pot. I despair.
 
Ponders Revisited said:
...All people care about is money and property and possessions...
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Yes, thanks for that Mrs Thatcher.

Communities were not just based on heavy industry and mining.
They were held together with Council housing and young people who were quite willing to do low paid jobs, because the cost of living in most areas was quite low - albeit there were few material luxuries.

Greed is good.
A lesson well learned now for two generations.
Now only migrants are willing to do the unpleasant, low paid jobs. Now half of British youngsters only want to do media studies degrees and make crap reality TV shows, while the other half just want to appear on them.
 
My kids work in the low-pay sector. Many of their friends work with them. It's not just migrants who take on the menial jobs. I'm thinking more of your middle-aged man who cares more about his bank balance than the state of the country. I talk to some people about mass immigration and all they do is roll their eyes or stare blankly as if I've just spoken in Greek. Sad really.
 
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Ponders Revisited said:
Stick the illegal migrants in camps, then sort the wheat from the chaff. We don't need criminals from other countries, for we have enough of our own to worry about.

A proper system run by competent officials would know who has come to work and strive and who has come to ponce off of us taxpayers.

A shoddy, broken system allows all and sundry to come here unchecked. We can't sustain current levels of migration and nor should we.

Yes, many come from abroad to work in the NHS etc. We should cherish such individuals. They deserve our gratitude. But never will I accept the dross wandering in to do us harm and drain our resources. Never.
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Well said :emoticon-0148-yes:
 
Ponders Revisited said:
My kids work in the low-pay sector. Many of their friends work with them. It's not just migrants who take on the menial jobs. I'm thinking more of your middle-aged man who cares more about his bank balance than the state of the country. I talk to some people about mass immigration and all they do is roll their eyes or stare blankly as if I've just spoken in Greek. Sad really.
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And of course we're branded racist if we complain about the situation<doh>
 
Sorry but we’re full up with enough strain on the NHS , schools, police , sewage systems etc etc etc something needs to be done ! Maybe not Rwanda but something!
 
Smudger603 said:
Sorry but we’re full up with enough strain on the NHS , schools, police , sewage systems etc etc etc something needs to be done ! Maybe not Rwanda but something!
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We need internment camps, not hotels. The illegals who come swanning in are making a mockery of the folk who come via the proper channels. We have no idea who the boat people are or what their intentions are, yet they are released into society to do as they please. Utter madness.
 
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lardiman said:
Fantastic news;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz9dn8erg3zo

An obscene policy that made me ashamed that I had voted for Johnson in 2019.
This new Labour Government must resolve the illegal migration issue.
But at least it won't be doing so by acting like Nazis.
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The new government must deal with all migration. Full stop.

We simply cannot sustain the current flow. I fear, however, the numbers will increase under Labour.

I'm not sure sending a few people to a hotel in Rwanda is acting like Nazis. I've seen enough war films to know the Nazis never did that to undesirables.
 
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This softly, softly approach has just made matters worse. All these young men are coming for the hotel rooms, the spending money, the new phones and trainers etc. We owe them.nothing. We are not responsible for them. The French do nothing for them whatsoever, yet we shower them with bed, board and baubles.

And what do we get in return? Are they surgeons, architects or accountants? Personally, I don't think so. If by chance a few of them really are fleeing persecution, then yes, help them by all means. But not 60,000 of them. Each year.
 
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Ponders Revisited said:
This softly, softly approach has just made matters worse. All these young men are coming for the hotel rooms, the spending money, the new phones and trainers etc. We owe them.nothing. We are not responsible for them. The French do nothing for them whatsoever, yet we shower them with bed, board and baubles.

And what do we get in return? Are they surgeons, architects or accountants? Personally, I don't think so. If by chance a few of them really are fleeing persecution, then yes, help them by all means. But not 60,000 of them. Each year.
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We're like a doughnut, a soft touch.
 
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