Bulut and the future

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The pendulum again swings in the Bulut stay or go saga!

I still don’t get the passing out of the back when plainly they’re not good enough to do it to justify the near calamities.

I still don’t get him starting Colwill out of position. It says something that it took Turnbull being hooked to get Colwill into his best position rather than as he’s done before hook Colwill. He’s do more effective there than Turnbull who is looking more and more like a dud signing.

At last he gave game time to some youngsters but it has to said only due to Grant Collins & Bowler being unfit. I fully expected Ashford to be hooked on the hour but credit to Bulut for giving him a whole 90 and also debuting Conte & Giles.

Bulut certainly must take credit for ensuring the players put their holiday suitcase away and have a magnificent rearguard and ultimately smash and grab display.

Which way will the pendulum swing after today:emoticon-0138-think
 
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I have nothing new to say on the subject. My pendulum (cue Maskey) remains in favour.
Remarkable job getting 62 points with a predominantly motley crew. Kept the kids away until the pressure was absolutely off.
Deserves a contract.
So, I said stuff but it wasn't new.
 
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As is said, frustrating that it took so many injuries to get the tyros on the pitch.
Desperation rather than good management.
I'd have given him more credit if he'd rotated youngsters in the squad through the season and given them some minutes.
In regard of Erol, my glass was half full before Cristmas. A drop of egg nog and it's now half empty.
 
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ccfcremotesupport said:
As is said, frustrating that it took so many injuries to get the tyros on the pitch.
Desperation rather than good management.
I'd have given him more credit if he'd rotated youngsters in the squad through the season and given them some minutes.
In regard of Erol, my glass was half full before Cristmas. A drop of egg nog and it's now half empty.
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Liked but I disagree.
Blooding the youngsters while we could still be dragged into a relegation scrap would not be an ideal start to their senior careers. While it could be argued that he might have introduced them again "easier" opposition, I think those are the teams that would have clobbered them.
Can't relate sure that it was desperation that got them involved today. Yes he didn't have a lot of options but who's to say he wouldn't have gone down that path anyway against a team that plays football? He had alluded to doing so a while back.
I'm constantly being reminded that football is a result based business. Well in my humble opinion EB has got a significant result in getting the team where they are in spite of all the hurdles and setbacks.
Football eh! Would there be civilised discussion without it? <laugh>
 
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clingo said:
Liked but I disagree.
Blooding the youngsters while we could still be dragged into a relegation scrap would not be an ideal start to their senior careers. While it could be argued that he might have introduced them again "easier" opposition, I think those are the teams that would have clobbered them.
Can't relate sure that it was desperation that got them involved today. Yes he didn't have a lot of options but who's to say he wouldn't have gone down that path anyway against a team that plays football? He had alluded to doing so a while back.
I'm constantly being reminded that football is a result based business. Well in my humble opinion EB has got a significant result in getting the team where they are in spite of all the hurdles and setbacks.
Football eh! Would there be civilised discussion without it? <laugh>
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Bloody hell. My predictive text had a field day with that.
 
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clingo said:
Liked but I disagree.
Blooding the youngsters while we could still be dragged into a relegation scrap would not be an ideal start to their senior careers. While it could be argued that he might have introduced them again "easier" opposition, I think those are the teams that would have clobbered them.
Can't relate sure that it was desperation that got them involved today. Yes he didn't have a lot of options but who's to say he wouldn't have gone down that path anyway against a team that plays football? He had alluded to doing so a while back.
I'm constantly being reminded that football is a result based business. Well in my humble opinion EB has got a significant result in getting the team where they are in spite of all the hurdles and setbacks.
Football eh! Would there be civilised discussion without it? <laugh>
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We see teams, like our noisy neighbours, regularly blood youngsters.
Our approach is a bench day or two, 10 mins at some point, out on loan, release.
What's the point?
I know they have to be good enough, but if we aren't developing one or two youngsters a year with a chance of 1st team football, someone isn't doing their job.:emoticon-0145-shake
Erol has had plenty of chances to get youngsters on the pitch, but he never took them, preferring sub-standard journeymen.
I'm not into changing half a team, substituting U21s, for a cup game, losing, then saying they aren't up to it.
One or two changes in a settled side gives them a chance. 3 youngsters with 4 who aren't starting players gives no one a chance.
 
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ccfcremotesupport said:
We see teams, like our noisy neighbours, regularly blood youngsters.
Our approach is a bench day or two, 10 mins at some point, out on loan, release.
What's the point?
I know they have to be good enough, but if we aren't developing one or two youngsters a year with a chance of 1st team football, someone isn't doing their job.:emoticon-0145-shake
Erol has had plenty of chances to get youngsters on the pitch, but he never took them, preferring sub-standard journeymen.
I'm not into changing half a team, substituting U21s, for a cup game, losing, then saying they aren't up to it.
One or two changes in a settled side gives them a chance. 3 youngsters with 4 who aren't starting players gives no one a chance.
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I hear you loud and clear. If we had a club with a footballing philosophy like our noisy neighbours, then I'd have no argument. However, given how dire some of our performances have been even when winning on occasion, the kids were only ever likely to pick up bad habits and end up deflated.
Brizzle also made the point in his reflection of today's game that the youngsters looked a bit lightweight in the tackle. Imagine how they'd have got on against teams that regularly have foul counts in the twenties.
I genuinely believe that Bulut does have a preference for playing progressive football and there were signs when he had Rambo and O'Dowda together and fit. Unfortunately, apart from a short spell when that happened, his hand has been forced and he prioritised our Championship status by playing to the limited strengths of what was available.
If he's still here for next season, he needs five players early in the window and then a strong pre season schedule.
Over to you Vince.
 
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clingo said:
I hear you loud and clear. If we had a club with a footballing philosophy like our noisy neighbours, then I'd have no argument. However, given how dire some of our performances have been even when winning on occasion, the kids were only ever likely to pick up bad habits and end up deflated.
Brizzle also made the point in his reflection of today's game that the youngsters looked a bit lightweight in the tackle. Imagine how they'd have got on against teams that regularly have foul counts in the twenties.
I genuinely believe that Bulut does have a preference for playing progressive football and there were signs when he had Rambo and O'Dowda together and fit. Unfortunately, apart from a short spell when that happened, his hand has been forced and he prioritised our Championship status by playing to the limited strengths of what was available.
If he's still here for next season, he needs five players early in the window and then a strong pre season schedule.
Over to you Vince.
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The 'lightweight in the tackle' will often be there in youngsters. It's why I say you should never have more than a couple on the pitch at any time.

My concern would be that Erol stays on. Gets his 5 players, then the tyros STILL don't get their chance.
There will always be a reason not to play them.

There is no mathematical formula for this, but something needs to change.
 
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ccfcremotesupport said:
The 'lightweight in the tackle' will often be there in youngsters. It's why I say you should never have more than a couple on the pitch at any time.

My concern would be that Erol stays on. Gets his 5 players, then the tyros STILL don't get their chance.
There will always be a reason not to play them.

There is no mathematical formula for this, but something needs to change.
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If he gets his players and develops a worthy style, then he has to be determined to see that run throughout the club. Then there'll be no reason for him to not introduce youngsters.
I don't think we're ever likely to find out own Roberto Martinez unfortunately but that shouldn't stop the club developing a footballing philosophy.
I totally agree about change bring needed. Our scouting at all ages and the methodology for bringing players on needs addressing. A DoF might be useful.
 
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Just reading an article on emerging cardiff youth and it got me thinking about Bullut's tenure.
Part of it comes down to style and approach. (DoF anyone.:bandit:).
In recent years we've played one up top, usually on the target man mould, though with limited success.
So, back to the emerging talent.
The tyros look to be ball players with Ashford and Davies more likely to run the channels than hold the ball up.
So a change of style would be needed.
Is Erol up for (up to even) it?
Will a new manager play that way?
Will young talent wither on the vine and be cast asside or will progressive football and a change of style win out?

I'm up for a change of style and let the youngsters loose.
 
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The championship form table for last 10 games.

Something for the lunatics in the asylum aka the city board to ponder perhaps :emoticon-0138-think

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C'mon now Nin - you know that in modern football you are only as good as your last result - oh, hang on a minute.... :emoticon-0140-rofl:

10 games is an age, that's 20% (ish) of the season - you can't look at form over that length of time.... nooooo, you are only allowed to take the correct number of games to suit the narrative - i.e. we've only won 3 of our last 6 or we've lost 2 of our last 3.

Personally I'm still firmly in the Bulut 'In' camp.... he's earned another shot... but what I would say is that he should only be offered a 2 year, with optional 1 year type length of contract.
Whether he'd accept that is another matter but we can't be dishing out a 4 year deal or anything daft like that. The above would allow enough certainty to build the team/squad as he wants (spending money is another matter of course) but if we did need to ditch him then the costs would be minimised....
 
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I'm also in the keep him camp. Aside from him getting us to mid table under tough circumstances, who could we get to do a better job given the people doing the hiring?
That's my opinion but I fear that Vince may have someone else lined up. Heaven forbid.
 
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