Transfer Rumours January Transfer Thread

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Gone For A Walk said:
And who's fault is that?
Roseniors.
He's the one who says we don't need the experience, real leaders, more physicality, etc. And he brought in Allsop.
One of the first things he should have done is to start to bring in all the above ,still missing, ingredients (bar Allsop). To give us some steel and nous, to complement the young talent. They would have then have been together for a decent period too. It's been as clear as day even to a blind man.
But no, he's the messiah, we're uneducated.
Then he finally does something like that and we get Billy ****ing Sharp! Rosenior, surely the most over-hyped, over-rated manager for achieving literally nothing we've ever had.
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Was speaking to a colleague over a pint (weirdly enough, he agreed that our current squad is better in terms of talent) and he made a good point about Rosenior.

As a manager starting out, you often learn as a coach from people above you, such as assistants and managers.

Phil Brown learned from Sam Allardyce and Colin Todd.

Rosie learned from Wayne Rooney and Graham Potter.

Might be being harsh because I wouldn't mind Potter as our manager (if only for potential Phoenix Nights gags), but I doubt he learned much from Rooney, I don't even think Rooney learned much from Rooney's mistakes.

I think the rest of the season will be deeply scrutinised by Tan and Acun. If Friday becomes the norm (cue some negheads saying it already is), then Acun will probably make a change at the end of the season, I don't think he'll wait until the first months of September.
 
Steven Toast said:
Was speaking to a colleague over a pint (weirdly enough, he agreed that our current squad is better in terms of talent) and he made a good point about Rosenior.

As a manager starting out, you often learn as a coach from people above you, such as assistants and managers.

Phil Brown learned from Sam Allardyce and Colin Todd.

Rosie learned from Wayne Rooney and Graham Potter.

Might be being harsh because I wouldn't mind Potter as our manager (if only for potential Phoenix Nights gags), but I doubt he learned much from Rooney, I don't even think Rooney learned much from Rooney's mistakes.

I think the rest of the season will be deeply scrutinised by Tan and Acun. If Friday becomes the norm (cue some negheads saying it already is), then Acun will probably make a change at the end of the season, I don't think he'll wait until the first months of September.
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Given Rosenior joined Derby in July 2019 2 months after Potter joined Brighton I don’t think he did learn off Potter.
 
Steven Toast said:
Yeah, we have. A lot of the team that got us up through the playoffs in 07/08 weren’t exactly world beaters. They were grafters. We certainly didn’t have an AFCON winner (who won it while at City anyway), two Turkish internationals, two Irish internationals, three England U21s, a Portugal U21 and a Dutch U21.

A lot of that team that got us promoted were signed from the leagues beneath us either that season or came up with us through the leagues.
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we had a much better defence - they only conceded 47 all season - we've already shipped 48 - Turner and Brown were both significantly better than Greaves, Jones and Macca
 
Are southampton also struggling due to having an inexperienced manager?
Relative ofcourse
But with their squad perhaps they should be higher up
 
bradymk2 said:
Are southampton also struggling due to having an inexperienced manager?
Relative ofcourse
But with their squad perhaps they should be higher up
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Martin isn't inexperienced. Moresca is more inexperienced and they are starting to struggle. McKenna reasonably inexperienced and Ipswich doing well. So it's a bit unpredictable.
 
Steven Toast said:
Was speaking to a colleague over a pint (weirdly enough, he agreed that our current squad is better in terms of talent) and he made a good point about Rosenior.

As a manager starting out, you often learn as a coach from people above you, such as assistants and managers.

Phil Brown learned from Sam Allardyce and Colin Todd.

Rosie learned from Wayne Rooney and Graham Potter.

Might be being harsh because I wouldn't mind Potter as our manager (if only for potential Phoenix Nights gags), but I doubt he learned much from Rooney, I don't even think Rooney learned much from Rooney's mistakes.

I think the rest of the season will be deeply scrutinised by Tan and Acun. If Friday becomes the norm (cue some negheads saying it already is), then Acun will probably make a change at the end of the season, I don't think he'll wait until the first months of September.
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Call me a neghesd if you want, but isn't that home performance/result the norm?

As you probably know, there's starting to be a little push back from some of the players and it's never easy to recover from that
 
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bradymk2 said:
Are southampton also struggling due to having an inexperienced manager?
Relative ofcourse
But with their squad perhaps they should be higher up
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Martin was fairly underwhelming at Swansea. Southampton hired him because he’s a young, possession-oriented coach and that fit in with the club’s philosophy. But many Saints’ fans questioned the appointment and still don’t think he’s the best man for the job. He’s very similar to Rosenior in that he’s young, inexperienced but also unwilling to adapt and be flexible with his tactics. ‘If Plan A isn’t working there is no Plan B, just make Plan A better’.

There’s something to admire about young managers like Martin and Rosenior that are confident in their ideas but the downside is a rigid, bordering on arrogant, approach to tactics.

Nuri Şahin, another young manager who likes to play high-pressing and possession football is a similar age to Martin and Rosenior. He retired from playing at Antalyaspor and then became their head coach. I’ve seen them play a few times on streams and read some articles about him on various tactico analysis sites and the thing that distinguished him from Rosenior and Martin was his tactical flexibility. He played under the likes of Klopp, Tuchel and Mourinho at the highest level in Europe at clubs like Liverpool, Dortmund and Madrid. He’s soaked up all that playing experience under great managers and applied it to his coaching. Sure, he prefers possession football but against better teams like Fenerbahçe, Galatasaray etc. he could sit deep and play counter-attacking football.

If he didn’t go to Dortmund to be Terzic’s assistant, I would’ve loved Şahin as our next manager because I just don’t think Rosenior can take us any further.
 
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Rosenior unfortunately isnt just inexperienced, he's also not as good as he thinks he is.

He doesnt even try to switch things up which tells me he's either incredibly stubborn or doesnt actually know how to fix the problems we have.

Other than a few games, ive been bored when watching city at home this season. Its nice when we win of course but even then, the football is rarely what id call entertaining. Thats just my personal opinion of course as I know some enjoy it.

I think if we completely drop off to mid table Acun will make a change this summer. He tried his friend Shota, he tried an inexperienced manager... he now needs to bring in the best person for the job with a good style of winning football and back him like he's backed Liam.
 
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Kalman said:
Martin was fairly underwhelming at Swansea. Southampton hired him because he’s a young, possession-oriented coach and that fit in with the club’s philosophy. But many Saints’ fans questioned the appointment and still don’t think he’s the best man for the job. He’s very similar to Rosenior in that he’s young, inexperienced but also unwilling to adapt and be flexible with his tactics. ‘If Plan A isn’t working there is no Plan B, just make Plan A better’.

There’s something to admire about young managers like Martin and Rosenior that are confident in their ideas but the downside is a rigid, bordering on arrogant, approach to tactics.

Nuri Şahin, another young manager who likes to play high-pressing and possession football is a similar age to Martin and Rosenior. He retired from playing at Antalyaspor and then became their head coach. I’ve seen them play a few times on streams and read some articles about him on various tactico analysis sites and the thing that distinguished him from Rosenior and Martin was his tactical flexibility. He played under the likes of Klopp, Tuchel and Mourinho at the highest level in Europe at clubs like Liverpool, Dortmund and Madrid. He’s soaked up all that playing experience under great managers and applied it to his coaching. Sure, he prefers possession football but against better teams like Fenerbahçe, Galatasaray etc. he could sit deep and play counter-attacking football.

If he didn’t go to Dortmund to be Terzic’s assistant, I would’ve loved Şahin as our next manager because I just don’t think Rosenior can take us any further.
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what about danny rohl?
 
Kalman said:
Martin was fairly underwhelming at Swansea. Southampton hired him because he’s a young, possession-oriented coach and that fit in with the club’s philosophy. But many Saints’ fans questioned the appointment and still don’t think he’s the best man for the job. He’s very similar to Rosenior in that he’s young, inexperienced but also unwilling to adapt and be flexible with his tactics. ‘If Plan A isn’t working there is no Plan B, just make Plan A better’.

There’s something to admire about young managers like Martin and Rosenior that are confident in their ideas but the downside is a rigid, bordering on arrogant, approach to tactics.

Nuri Şahin, another young manager who likes to play high-pressing and possession football is a similar age to Martin and Rosenior. He retired from playing at Antalyaspor and then became their head coach. I’ve seen them play a few times on streams and read some articles about him on various tactico analysis sites and the thing that distinguished him from Rosenior and Martin was his tactical flexibility. He played under the likes of Klopp, Tuchel and Mourinho at the highest level in Europe at clubs like Liverpool, Dortmund and Madrid. He’s soaked up all that playing experience under great managers and applied it to his coaching. Sure, he prefers possession football but against better teams like Fenerbahçe, Galatasaray etc. he could sit deep and play counter-attacking football.

If he didn’t go to Dortmund to be Terzic’s assistant, I would’ve loved Şahin as our next manager because I just don’t think Rosenior can take us any further.
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Martin wasn’t underwhelming at Swansea tbf he had a very average championship squad and with a little investment he’d have been right up there.

They’re all still gutted he left.
 
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SydneyTiger14 said:
Martin isn't inexperienced. Moresca is more inexperienced and they are starting to struggle. McKenna reasonably inexperienced and Ipswich doing well. So it's a bit unpredictable.
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McKenna had nearly 15 years coaching experience prior to taking his first head coach job, versus Enzo and Rosie who had 4, and Martin who took over straight away.
 
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