New England kit

[Jim the Tiger]

Is there a playful reinterpretation of the German flag on them?

I hope so, they will love it.

 

[Cityzen]

https://www.change.org/p/save-st-george-s-cross-in-english-football?utm_content=cl_sharecopy_37941683_en-GB:cv_977133&recruited_by_id=f36aa1c0-e76c-11ee-881f-39371c0b706d&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial&utm_term=psf&share_bandit_exp=initial-37941683-en-GB

The new shirt that the England national football team will wear in this summer’s European championships (EUROs) has been revealed, and I am appalled to see kit makers Nike boast of the ‘playful update’ to St George’s cross due to appear on their design.


This millenium-old piece of heraldry has been identified with the English for centuries. It speaks to the heroic resolve of our patron Saint George, the pride taken in overcoming evildoers in great acts of service, and the ancient Christian tradition of this land and people. It is a symbol that encapsulates the virtues that make us English, and which characterise this nation on the international stage.



This is a symbol that has stood the test of time. England is an ancient land whose civilisation has stood firm in the face of the political instability that characterises most other European countries. This is celebrated by St George’s cross: a consistent feature on English livery while France and Germany amongst others have abandoned such displays of heritage. The uninterrupted continuity of our history and cultural tradition sets us apart from our neighbours, a point of distinction that is all the more apparent as the Home of Football takes on these friends on the pitch.



St George’s cross is not uniquely English. Through shared Christian heritage with our international neighbours, it often surprises fans to see it on the crests of A.C. Milan, and F.C. Barcelona. Never mind it’s repetition on Georgia’s flag! While distinguishing us from our international friends, it is also a shared symbol of deeper meaning that fosters unity. It is as ludicrous to suggest that the Cross be ‘playfully updated’ on Barcelona and Milan’s kits as what Nike and the FA propose for England here.



It is hard to view this move as anything short of political. While the FA may think that this move distances English football from nationalist elements, it does not take a political eye to see that this is divisive. This is a symbol that has united sworn enemies in club football throughout the history of the game to take great pride together in achievements in their nation’s name. It is the shared icon of English football across all levels and demographics, transcending social class with a shared interest for Englishmen up and down the country. Changing this symbol to something unrecognisable strips the shared heritage that brings together this nation’s native diversity, and can only be damaging.



I would love to buy this new shirt, but cannot while it shows the Cross of St George is defaced. Therefore I ask you to sign this petition to make the FA and Nike realise their error here: to inform them that they have deeply offended English fans, look wildly out of touch with the fans, and to show that the English people and our ancient affinity for football refuse to be erased.

Please change the shirt.

Either use the appropriate, all-red St George’s Cross, or don’t use it at all!

The Milan shirt does not have a Saint George cross on. It is the cross of Saint Ambrose. There was an outcry from certain communities who were offended because they were offended because it reminded them of the Crusades, It had to be pointed out to them what it actually represented.
Have any of our shirts previously featured a StvGeorge cross? Can’t remember. If not why start with a playfully reimagined one.

 

[PLT]

Turns out, we actually had something similar a few years ago but no one was bothered then. Perhaps a symbol of how this culture war stuff has blown up in a short space of time.

https://www.dezeen.com/2010/09/02/england-home-kit-by-peter-saville-for-umbro/

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[bradymk2]

Turns out, we actually had something similar a few years ago but no one was bothered then. Perhaps a symbol of how this culture war stuff has blown up in a short space of time.

https://www.dezeen.com/2010/09/02/england-home-kit-by-peter-saville-for-umbro/

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the culture war is like the racism war
its just a way to have people argue amongst themselves and raging at some random colour of a **** cross while the economy and equality and all the rest goes to ****, instead of putting focus on that
its culture war ****
but thats for another day

record amounts of homeless, food bank use etc etc but who cares, the trannies are taking over

 

[Ernie Shackleton]

https://www.change.org/p/save-st-george-s-cross-in-english-football?utm_content=cl_sharecopy_37941683_en-GB:cv_977133&recruited_by_id=f36aa1c0-e76c-11ee-881f-39371c0b706d&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial&utm_term=psf&share_bandit_exp=initial-37941683-en-GB

The new shirt that the England national football team will wear in this summer’s European championships (EUROs) has been revealed, and I am appalled to see kit makers Nike boast of the ‘playful update’ to St George’s cross due to appear on their design.


This millenium-old piece of heraldry has been identified with the English for centuries. It speaks to the heroic resolve of our patron Saint George, the pride taken in overcoming evildoers in great acts of service, and the ancient Christian tradition of this land and people. It is a symbol that encapsulates the virtues that make us English, and which characterise this nation on the international stage.



This is a symbol that has stood the test of time. England is an ancient land whose civilisation has stood firm in the face of the political instability that characterises most other European countries. This is celebrated by St George’s cross: a consistent feature on English livery while France and Germany amongst others have abandoned such displays of heritage. The uninterrupted continuity of our history and cultural tradition sets us apart from our neighbours, a point of distinction that is all the more apparent as the Home of Football takes on these friends on the pitch.



St George’s cross is not uniquely English. Through shared Christian heritage with our international neighbours, it often surprises fans to see it on the crests of A.C. Milan, and F.C. Barcelona. Never mind it’s repetition on Georgia’s flag! While distinguishing us from our international friends, it is also a shared symbol of deeper meaning that fosters unity. It is as ludicrous to suggest that the Cross be ‘playfully updated’ on Barcelona and Milan’s kits as what Nike and the FA propose for England here.



It is hard to view this move as anything short of political. While the FA may think that this move distances English football from nationalist elements, it does not take a political eye to see that this is divisive. This is a symbol that has united sworn enemies in club football throughout the history of the game to take great pride together in achievements in their nation’s name. It is the shared icon of English football across all levels and demographics, transcending social class with a shared interest for Englishmen up and down the country. Changing this symbol to something unrecognisable strips the shared heritage that brings together this nation’s native diversity, and can only be damaging.



I would love to buy this new shirt, but cannot while it shows the Cross of St George is defaced. Therefore I ask you to sign this petition to make the FA and Nike realise their error here: to inform them that they have deeply offended English fans, look wildly out of touch with the fans, and to show that the English people and our ancient affinity for football refuse to be erased.

Please change the shirt.

Either use the appropriate, all-red St George’s Cross, or don’t use it at all!

Straight to comments.

 

[Ric Glasgow]

Turns out, we actually had something similar a few years ago but no one was bothered then. Perhaps a symbol of how this culture war stuff has blown up in a short space of time.

https://www.dezeen.com/2010/09/02/england-home-kit-by-peter-saville-for-umbro/

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Nothing to do with Culture war or any other such nonsense from these quarters.

I'm more concerned with the obliteration of a national flag and the reference to it being playful...

 

[TwoWrights]

Is there a playful reinterpretation of the German flag on them?

Mainly red flag, white circle in the centre, and in the circle an odd shape in black. Godwin's law reached.


The views expressed in my posts are not necessarily mine.

 

[Ric Glasgow]

Mainly red flag, white circle in the centre, and in the circle an odd shape in black. Godwin's law reached.


The views expressed in my posts are not necessarily mine.

 

[PLT]

Nothing to do with Culture war or any other such nonsense from these quarters.

I'm more concerned with the obliteration of a national flag and the reference to it being playful...

But if the flag was also obliterated 14 years ago without all this anger, it's hard not to wonder about what's changed in that time and what is different this time around. Are many people generally angrier and/or less tolerant? Suspect no one will identify as such but it certainly seems that way.

 

[TwoWrights]

Nothing to do with Culture war or any other such nonsense from these quarters.

I'm more concerned with the obliteration of a national flag and the reference to it being playful...

Rumour has it that Scotland's kit will feature a playful interpretation of the Saltire, it's a red cross on a white field.


The views expressed in my posts are not necessarily mine.

 

[Muzz]

But if the flag was also obliterated 14 years ago without all this anger, it's hard not to wonder about what's changed in that time and what is different this time around. Are many people generally angrier and/or less tolerant? Suspect no one will identify as such but it certainly seems that way.

It's just push back from people feeling they're being told what to think and find acceptable. People (obviously not everyone) are usually pretty ok with others doing and thinking whatever they want, even if they don't particularly get or like it. The problems start when people feel they're being revolted against.
What I'll never understand is when certain sections believe our national flag/flags to not 'belong' to them as they 'belong' to someone else. Sorry, but no. That is entirely made up in your own mind.

 

[Cityzen]

Mainly red flag, white circle in the centre, and in the circle an odd shape in black. Godwin's law reached.


The views expressed in my posts are not necessarily mine.

Surely that would be a pink flag with a blue circle with a purple Hindu symbol for peace and prosperity in the middle?

 

[Cityzen]

But if the flag was also obliterated 14 years ago without all this anger, it's hard not to wonder about what's changed in that time and what is different this time around. Are many people generally angrier and/or less tolerant? Suspect no one will identify as such but it certainly seems that way.

When was the flag obliterated? The angry intolerant ones marching around in our cities are not carrying our flag.

 

[Cityzen]

It's just push back from people feeling they're being told what to think and find acceptable. People (obviously not everyone) are usually pretty ok with others doing and thinking whatever they want, even if they don't particularly get or like it. The problems start when people feel they're being revolted against.
What I'll never understand is when certain sections believe our national flag/flags to not 'belong' to them as they 'belong' to someone else. Sorry, but no. That is entirely made up in your own mind.

Look forward to a playful reimagination of flags involving crescents ans stars in pink, blue and purple and the reaction in those countries.

 

[Off The Line]

Exactly, it is no accident. Sexualisation is everywhere. It is a shirt worn mainly by kids, there is nothing 'playful' about sneaking stuff like this onto kids clothing. Call me a 'conspiracy nutjob' if you like, that has become a badge of honour in the last few years, but it is everywhere if you know what you're looking for. These colours are used to represent bisexuality. What the frig has that got to do with the England Mens football team? Or any football team for that matter?

Equality for people of all ethnic backgrounds and sexual/gender groups should be a fundamental right but the way the corporates and media are ramming it down peoples necks is for one purpose only, to cause friction and divide the plebs.

But it's the plebs that need dividing to help them be less plebby.

 

[Off The Line]

Look forward to a playful reimagination of flags involving crescents ans stars in pink, blue and purple and the reaction in those countries.

Yes, I'm sure you would rather we were more like them.

 

[Cityzen]

Yes, I'm sure you would rather we were more like them.

Are you saying they are wrong? We shouldn’t kowtow to their demands to accept their ways? I suppose that is some progress.

 

[Cityzen]

But it's the plebs that need dividing to help them be less plebby.

Absolute bollox.

 

[dennisboothstash]

When was the flag obliterated? The angry intolerant ones marching around in our cities are not carrying our flag.

'Obliterated' wasn't a good choice of word I don't think, but he was clearly just referring to a previous England shirt that had a cross design (at the same scale as a flag) repeated in a rainbow selection of colours.

 

[Cityzen]

'Obliterated' wasn't a good choice of word I don't think, but he was clearly just referring to a previous England shirt that had a cross design (at the same scale as a flag) repeated in a rainbow selection of colours.

Same scale as a flag? Tiny flags that were so small they were barely noticeable.