Let’s be Frank

[FellTop]

You sack Tony Mowbray - you need to bring in someone who is fundamentally better. Beale has them on the back foot, whether it works or not. Every bad result (and performance) will have us supporters questioning why? Can anyone honestly say they understand sacking Mowbray to bring in Beale? I know precisely why they’ve done it, and soon the penny will drop.

I know the Mowbray out crowd will drown me out, fair enough. It was premature to sack him though. In my opinion he was seeking alternative ways to play, for variation, but the players struggled to execute. We have a weaker first 16 than last season and it shows.

I will call the club out on one thing. It was a stupid time to sack someone, really naieve, unless they had someone ready to walk in. My guess is they thought they would get someone but failed. They spent 2 weeks to get someone they could have had in 3 days. It was, once again, a process that took too long. And now Beale is left with no time to coach in his first couple of weeks.

I suspect Beale is a good fit overall. It will take time. And the more I see of the newer players we have around the squad this season, the more I think it will be too much to get to the playoffs this season. It is possible, but I think we need 2 or 3 new players in to do it. If we do that nothing to say the last 15 games of this season we cant go on a good run and be the form team making the top 6. These 2 or 3 players need to be well picked though.

 

[Magnus]

sadly sunderland fans don't have the patience for this model

 

[Montysoptician]

Nice non-league club down the road from where I live. Conference South a couple of seasons back. Owner died, new owner came in. Club plummeted two divisions. New owner decides he's not interested anymore and pulls all the funding. Club is gone, finished. Fans are distraught.

That's when there's something to whinge about.

Not when a young, enthusiastic rich lad comes in and says "I'm going to run your club properly and by the way, the boss is going to be called 'Head Coach' rather than 'Manager'".

As for "getting our club back" I'd rather be in our situation than be a propaganda tool for a dubious state.

My thoughts exactly, we would do well to remember Bury FC, 17 consecutive seasons in the top division, 2 FA cups and look where they are now.

 

[TeamOfTalents]

sadly sunderland fans don't have the patience for this model

Plenty do.

 

[The Legendary Tongue]

sadly sunderland fans don't have the patience for this model

I have but you’re right most I talk to haven’t. I suspect every other set of supporters would be the same not just ours.

 

[Sour Patch]

Any chance our fans can learn their lesson?

Mowbray 3 wins in his first 10. 2 of them against teams that were relegated. Second game was the defeat at Boro who were in the relegation zone. Nobody remembers this because after some TIME we turned into a good team.

Neil 1 win in his first 5 games. Nobody remembers this because with TIME we turned into a good team.

 

[The Legendary Tongue]

Any chance our fans can learn their lesson?

Mowbray 3 wins in his first 10. 2 of them against teams that were relegated. Second game was the defeat at Boro who were in the relegation zone. Nobody remembers this because after some TIME we turned into a good team.

Neil 1 win in his first 5 games. Nobody remembers this because with TIME we turned into a good team.

So, what is it you’re trying to say.

 

[Iain]

sadly sunderland fans don't have the patience for this model

Or want to accept it

 

[Smug in Boots]

There is a difference between mortgaging the club and taking a gamble on success and paying good money for 1 player in an area that is crying out for it.

No one is expecting them to bring in 200million pounds worth of players. But perhaps 10 million on a forward that would give us a real chance of promotion is reasonable, especially after selling Ross Stewart.

I like the way they are running the club and the model. But we haven’t had a forward score in nearly a years worth of football.

If they don’t invest in 1 in January, It will tell us they are either ignorant or low in ambition.

I'm absolutely certain that if the club can buy a striker to take us up they'll do so.

 

[TopCat.]

sadly sunderland fans don't have the patience for this model

Those who don't need to remember where we were 2 years ago

 

[The Exile II]

Or want to accept it

There are still plenty of instant fix junkies from our days in the PL.

Having said that, zero apparent change isn't an option either and that's what we're seeing. Time will tell.

 

[Iain]

There are still plenty of instant fix junkies from our days in the PL.

Having said that, zero apparent change isn't an option either and that's what we're seeing. Time will tell.

I have said that myself, that I think we have hit a wall, we don't seem to have a plan B, hopefully that is what Beale is and is the new cog that takes us to the next level

 

[The Redbaron]

Way too soon for all of this. The fanbase being as toxic as it is likely won't help.

The toxicity has came from the Club marra. He hasn't made a very good start, infact, I'd say we have taken a backward step of three from what I'm witnessing at the minute but experience tells me that once your on the back foot, unless your exceptional, your on a downward slope.... Time will tell.

 

[Montysoptician]

sadly sunderland fans don't have the patience for this model

Two bulls in a field, the young one say’s to the old one, “look at all of those cows in the next field, let’s run over and shag one of them”. The old bull say’s to the young bull, “no, let’s walk over and shag the lot of them”.

 

[Smug in Boots]

sadly sunderland fans don't have the patience for this model

It's irrelevant, the club are running the club.

It really makes me laugh when people say 'you're accepting mediocrity' if you're not stamping your feet on forums like this ...

... they think they're being proactive and demanding.

They're actually doing f*ck all.

 

[TopCat.]

The toxicity has came from the Club marra. He hasn't made a very good start, infact, I'd say we have taken a backward step of three from what I'm witnessing at the minute but experience tells me that once your on the back foot, unless your exceptional, your on a downward slope.... Time will tell.

I find it impossible to understand how people can judge the manager based on 3 games in less than a week (4 points collected by the way - we took 2 points from the same fixtures last season)

 

[Smug in Boots]

I find it impossible to understand how people can judge the manager based on 3 games in less than a week (4 points collected by the way - we took 2 points from the same fixtures last season)

If he'd won all three games some would say it's Mowbray's team ...

... some would say it's new manager bounce and it'll wear off.

And some ingenious folk might even come up with something original

 

[Mackem74]

This comment won’t be popular. We pride ourself on being brilliant fans. At the moment a lot of our fans are an embarrassment. Entitled little know it all brats dying to be proved right. Commenting on someone’s place of birth, accent, mole. The bloke has joined our club to utilise his skills and do his best, he isn’t the anti christ. Those relishing an under par performance so they can spew their poison should **** off for a while until they can come back and be a Sunderland ‘supporter’.

Absolutely agree.

 

[Mackem74]

The sense entitlement is awful these days. All fans have these types but I'm disappointed by how many of ours are acting in the same way.

I honestly think if the Qatari government decided they wanted to buy us, loads of our fans would be all over it and boasting about how we'd spend millions to challenge them up the road.

I'm sure even more would accept being Red Bull Sunderland and playing in an all white kit with red bulls if it meant they could support a club who were in the top 10 of the Premier League.

It all starts by demanding your club spends money outside of it's budget to bring in new players because 7th place is too abhorrent for their fragile ego to handle. Then if that doesn't work, shout some more, spend some more or demand people leave so we can "have our club back" whatever the **** that means.

I know i bang on about them but the guys from WMS podcast embody everything that is wrong with modern day supporters. Every tweet they make is negative, or to suit their narrative. Why don't we play a striker, slagging off Beales post match interview for absolutely no reason other than they've decided they don't like him. One of them had a meltdown in transfer window cos we were selling all our players supposedly and hadn't offered Stewart a deal. Now they are dead against Beale just because he's not a.sexy name and hasn't come in and made a raft of pointless changes.
I actually know someone who has worked with Beale.and thinks he's brilliant and an outstanding coach. Might take him Time for him to get his ideas across but think he deserves more than a week. There is also this narrative now about Clarke and how we'd be crap without him. Is it not a.positive that we've nurtured this young talent and his team.mates and coaching staff are getting best of him?.should they stop passing the ball to him in dangerous areas. The whole lot of you who.continually.slag club can **** right off.

 

[Smug in Boots]

I know i bang on about them but the guys from WMS podcast embody everything that is wrong with modern day supporters. Every tweet they make is negative, or to suit their narrative. Why don't we play a striker, slagging off Beales post match interview for absolutely no reason other than they've decided they don't like him. One of them had a meltdown in transfer window cos we were selling all our players supposedly and hadn't offered Stewart a deal. Now they are dead against Beale just because he's not a.sexy name and hasn't come in and made a raft of pointless changes.
I actually know someone who has worked with Beale.and thinks he's brilliant and an outstanding coach. Might take him Time for him to get his ideas across but think he deserves more than a week. There is also this narrative now about Clarke and how we'd be crap without him. Is it not a.positive that we've nurtured this young talent and his team.mates and coaching staff are getting best of him?.should they stop passing the ball to him in dangerous areas. The whole lot of you who.continually.slag club can **** right off.

People like WMS build up massive reasons, built on their own idiotic speculation, to attack the club.

They decide we're selling Clarke, Ekwah, Ballard, etc, and absolutely batter 'the selling club' ... then say nowt when we don't.

They demand protests and outrage when we sell Stewart ... then say nowt when he turns out to be crocked.

They decide it's a massive mistake not letting Alex Neil have total control, ignore Speakman and sign whoever he liked ...

... then say nowt when he has total control at Stoke, signs whoever he liked and takes them hurtling towards relegation and the sack.

Let's be honest you don't fill pages by saying, every week,

'We're making slow steady progress and gradually improving the squad while keeping with financial constraints'.