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Let’s be Frank

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Rade Prica, Dec 30, 2023.

  1. FellTop

    FellTop Well-Known Member

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    I know the Mowbray out crowd will drown me out, fair enough. It was premature to sack him though. In my opinion he was seeking alternative ways to play, for variation, but the players struggled to execute. We have a weaker first 16 than last season and it shows.

    I will call the club out on one thing. It was a stupid time to sack someone, really naieve, unless they had someone ready to walk in. My guess is they thought they would get someone but failed. They spent 2 weeks to get someone they could have had in 3 days. It was, once again, a process that took too long. And now Beale is left with no time to coach in his first couple of weeks.

    I suspect Beale is a good fit overall. It will take time. And the more I see of the newer players we have around the squad this season, the more I think it will be too much to get to the playoffs this season. It is possible, but I think we need 2 or 3 new players in to do it. If we do that nothing to say the last 15 games of this season we cant go on a good run and be the form team making the top 6. These 2 or 3 players need to be well picked though.
     
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  2. Magnus

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    sadly sunderland fans don't have the patience for this model
     
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  3. Montysoptician

    Montysoptician Well-Known Member

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    My thoughts exactly, we would do well to remember Bury FC, 17 consecutive seasons in the top division, 2 FA cups and look where they are now.
     
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  4. TeamOfTalents

    TeamOfTalents Well-Known Member

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    Plenty do.
     
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  5. The Legendary Tongue

    The Legendary Tongue Well-Known Member

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    I have but you’re right most I talk to haven’t. I suspect every other set of supporters would be the same not just ours.
     
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  6. Sour Patch

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    Any chance our fans can learn their lesson?

    Mowbray 3 wins in his first 10. 2 of them against teams that were relegated. Second game was the defeat at Boro who were in the relegation zone. Nobody remembers this because after some TIME we turned into a good team.

    Neil 1 win in his first 5 games. Nobody remembers this because with TIME we turned into a good team.
     
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  7. The Legendary Tongue

    The Legendary Tongue Well-Known Member

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    So, what is it you’re trying to say. :emoticon-0105-wink:
     
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  8. Iain

    Iain Well-Known Member

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    Or want to accept it
     
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  9. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    I'm absolutely certain that if the club can buy a striker to take us up they'll do so.
     
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  10. TopCat.

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    Those who don't need to remember where we were 2 years ago
     
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  11. The Exile II

    The Exile II Well-Known Member

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    There are still plenty of instant fix junkies from our days in the PL.

    Having said that, zero apparent change isn't an option either and that's what we're seeing. Time will tell.
     
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  12. Iain

    Iain Well-Known Member

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    I have said that myself, that I think we have hit a wall, we don't seem to have a plan B, hopefully that is what Beale is and is the new cog that takes us to the next level
     
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  13. The Redbaron

    The Redbaron Well-Known Member

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    The toxicity has came from the Club marra. He hasn't made a very good start, infact, I'd say we have taken a backward step of three from what I'm witnessing at the minute but experience tells me that once your on the back foot, unless your exceptional, your on a downward slope.... Time will tell.
     
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  14. Montysoptician

    Montysoptician Well-Known Member

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    Two bulls in a field, the young one say’s to the old one, “look at all of those cows in the next field, let’s run over and shag one of them”. The old bull say’s to the young bull, “no, let’s walk over and shag the lot of them”. :emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
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  15. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    It's irrelevant, the club are running the club.

    It really makes me laugh when people say 'you're accepting mediocrity' if you're not stamping your feet on forums like this ...

    ... they think they're being proactive and demanding.

    They're actually doing f*ck all.
     
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    I find it impossible to understand how people can judge the manager based on 3 games in less than a week (4 points collected by the way - we took 2 points from the same fixtures last season)
     
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  17. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    If he'd won all three games some would say it's Mowbray's team ...

    ... some would say it's new manager bounce and it'll wear off.

    And some ingenious folk might even come up with something original <laugh>
     
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  18. Mackem74

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    Absolutely agree.
     
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  19. Mackem74

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    I know i bang on about them but the guys from WMS podcast embody everything that is wrong with modern day supporters. Every tweet they make is negative, or to suit their narrative. Why don't we play a striker, slagging off Beales post match interview for absolutely no reason other than they've decided they don't like him. One of them had a meltdown in transfer window cos we were selling all our players supposedly and hadn't offered Stewart a deal. Now they are dead against Beale just because he's not a.sexy name and hasn't come in and made a raft of pointless changes.
    I actually know someone who has worked with Beale.and thinks he's brilliant and an outstanding coach. Might take him Time for him to get his ideas across but think he deserves more than a week. There is also this narrative now about Clarke and how we'd be crap without him. Is it not a.positive that we've nurtured this young talent and his team.mates and coaching staff are getting best of him?.should they stop passing the ball to him in dangerous areas. The whole lot of you who.continually.slag club can **** right off.
     
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  20. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    People like WMS build up massive reasons, built on their own idiotic speculation, to attack the club.

    They decide we're selling Clarke, Ekwah, Ballard, etc, and absolutely batter 'the selling club' ... then say nowt when we don't.

    They demand protests and outrage when we sell Stewart ... then say nowt when he turns out to be crocked.

    They decide it's a massive mistake not letting Alex Neil have total control, ignore Speakman and sign whoever he liked ...

    ... then say nowt when he has total control at Stoke, signs whoever he liked and takes them hurtling towards relegation and the sack.

    Let's be honest you don't fill pages by saying, every week,

    'We're making slow steady progress and gradually improving the squad while keeping with financial constraints'.
     
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