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Match Day Thread Hull City v Southampton

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by Chazz Rheinhold, Oct 18, 2023.

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  1. Mckechnie Orange

    Mckechnie Orange Well-Known Member

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    Agreed, but we have a top 8 budget by all accounts, not top 6. Stands to reason there are 3 clubs on first year parachute payments, there are others on second year payments and others with bigger revenues and fanbases. I'd be surprised if we were top 6, butt we will be comfortably top ten, hence the expectation of top 10 or better surrounding this season.

    I fear for rosenior if we lose touch with the top 10 this season, but I don't think we will.
     
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  2. HullCityInEurope

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    I think we're so close to being a very good team at this level. We were excellent for large parts today against a promotion favourite and on the balance of chances probably should've won. We've got a young team and manager who are only going to improve as the season progresses, but could do without the overreaction from fans after every bad result.

    I actually can't believe I come on here every week and see people calling for Liams head. We've improved ten fold during his tenor and whilst we're not the finished article there's not many I'd rather have in charge of this project
     
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  3. PLT

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    This is the story with us constantly. It's baffling. Over the years I've often felt we're a wasteful side in various ways but I've never known a team be like we are lately, where we repeatedly and consistently find ways not to get a shot off from excellent positions. I go into games saying that I hope we finally stop doing it and I leave games increasingly frustrated that we continue. It's straight up weird to be this bad at playing the relatively simple final ball time after time, when we're so good at passing our way up the pitch in the buildup.
     
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  4. Kalman

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    Unfortunately, you can’t put mods on ignore.
     
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  5. Benjo

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    Usually I'd say the reason for that would be the slow build up, meaning that final ball has to be perfect due to all defenders being comfortably in position. Today we didn't have that problem what with the pace we were working it forward with - it was purely poor decision making on numerous counts, not spotting runners, not shooting in that moment when they should etc. Personally I'd chalk this one up to them trying to quickly get used to playing at that tempo, because we've just not been playing quite like that.
     
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  6. PLT

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    I've been saying for weeks my sheets are as wet as anyone's when I watch us waste chances. I was spitting feathers at times today.
     
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  7. Kalman

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    He signed every one of those players except Greaves and Allahyar though, mate. He had all summer to add some experienced players but he didn’t. Could’ve signed an experienced ball-winner but he didn’t. Instead he wanted Max Bird, another young player, and when that didn’t work out, signed Morton on loan.

    This is Rosenior’s squad. He can’t complain about it.
     
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  8. PLT

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    And he hasn't.
     
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  9. Mckechnie Orange

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    He's a head coach. He isnt a general club manager. He has a head of recruitment and will likely be working to a development brief. As per Brighton and Brentford sustainability models, as I believe that's what the club ownership structure is aspiring towards.

    I doubt recruitment policy will change significantly, regardless of head coach, nor will the possession based playing identity the owners wish to establish, as I believe they feel it is key to the clubs marketability abroad.

    If they have to sack Rosenior, then they'll bring in someone with broadly the same playing philosophy and development remit.


    Frankly, I just think it needs stability and a few more games before we can really judge.

    We had 7 new signings in our starting 11, they had 3 in their entire squad..

    There's no suggestion we shouldn't improve but it takes more than half a dozen games to reach full potential.

    It's still early days for this group of players, and for Liam as a head coach too.
     
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  10. NewcastleTiger

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    Probably down to these are good areas we get in. Often teams have plenty of players back because of how slow we get the ball forward so players have to make perfect decisions for us to score goals.

    Also defensively we are ****e. Have been all season, being bailed out by the goalkeeper consistently papering over the cracks
     
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  11. PLT

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    We always have plenty of players back, as with both of their goals today, but teams find gaps some of the time. We seem to be unable to make the final pass even when it's a 2 on 1 situation, or in the case of today we struggled to get a shot off when we basically had an open goal on two occasions. People want it to be about tactics, as it always has to be, but that doesn't explain it. If other teams were as inefficient from scoring positions against us as we are to them we'd have barely conceded a goal all season.
     
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  12. HCAFCHangout

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    Firstly, Coyle didn't get booked. Secondly, you are looking at it from hindsight. 99% of managers make that switch in the context of the game today. If he hadn't taken Christie off with a perfectly decent RB on the bench he would have been slaughtered. He's damned if he did and damned if he didn't.

    I agree the subs offered nothing when coming on but I think not taking off some of the midfield to get fresh legs in was the biggest crime today
     
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  13. Steven Toast

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    Aye, you're right, it is his squad but I wasn't complaining about the age, I was using it to point out that these younger lads will make more mistakes than older lads, but they only learn by playing more so it's an annoyance we have to tolerate until they cut it out.
     
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  14. steverico

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    How the hell have we improved 10 fold, we’ve won one game at home against a team with still only 3 points, Liam has won 12 games out of 42 so far, he’s been here a year in a couple of weeks, being hard to beat,ok but 19 draws is not an improvement, it’s a mentality he has of do not lose, rather than go out and win.
     
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  15. SydneyTiger14

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    'Has some pedigree'. That was his first full season in management. Everyone's moaning that Rosenior doesn't have enough experience ffs.
     
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  16. petersaxton

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    Seri, Coyle?
     
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  17. HullCityInEurope

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    I'm judging the football i'm watching rather than the results.
     
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  18. petersaxton

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    Coyle did get booked
    I know it says he didnt on the BBC website but the ref clearly showed him a yellow card for the kick on the opponents leg
     
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  19. SydneyTiger14

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    I said the other day we should be treating this season first and foremost as a development season and that top 6 would be a bonus we should obviously be hopeful of but not expecting, and was told that was ridiculous. Excellent post.
     
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  20. steverico

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    Be great to be the most attractive team ever to be relegated
     
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