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Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Hudson92, Mar 24, 2023.

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  1. MACKEMLAD1973

    MACKEMLAD1973 Well-Known Member

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    Well said. A world class player.
    Fortunately we were so lucky to see him and Monty.
    Since then nobody has come close although we've had some good players.
    IMHO
     
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  2. Brainy Dose

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    This all day! I don't know why some seem to think that the recruitment team don't talk about things with the head coach and vice-versa.....as though they're at loggerheads with each other all the time...like they're two separate departments in the organisation.The whole process has to be the result of many detailed discussions. As for the Dack signing, if it was,as we suspect, initiated by TM and the recruitment team agreed with it and made it happen,that's a positive indication of the collaboration taking place.
     
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  3. ROKER PARK

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    You might let her choose the bed and the cooker though!
     
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  4. Chunksafc

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    My dad raves about Hurley, reckons he had everything. He is convinced that he would still have been a legend in the modern game
     
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  5. Smug in Boots

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    <laugh>
     
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  6. Smug in Boots

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    It's difficult to believe the recruitment team actively sought out Dack so I think you're correct. Equally, even if they did initiate the move, it's clear they'd have run it by Mowbray and asked for his views ...

    ... they wouldn't sign him only to discover they hated each other.
     
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  7. MACKEMLAD1973

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    Yer dad's right.
    I personally spoke to another world class player John Charles who didn't know I was a mackem.
    There's a picture at Elland Road of the pair of them in a mid air dual.
    He told me The King was his favourite CH and best header he'd ever seen.
    Also said The King helped him transfer his skills at both CH and CF.

    I then told him I'm from Sunlun and in his own words
    The King was a world class player who played for a great great club.

    I walked away feeling 10ft tall.
     
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  8. Brainy Dose

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    Yep,common sense marra.
     
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  9. Nonsense Potter

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    Good analogy. Continuing it on and based solely on my experience with my dear wife, perhaps he's going for the death by a thousand paper cuts approach and will eventually get his own way and replace every bit of the furniture with his own selection over the course of a few years :emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
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  10. Kipper

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    Playing devils advocate here but who is “the club”. That’s not Speakman, he’s an employee like Mowbray.
     
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  11. Culinary

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    I like him but I wish he’d presented a united front regardless of his feelings or what’s going on behind the scenes, that would have been more professional rather than undermining the hierarchy. Especially when the fanbase is so agitated already and probably needed a bit of reassurance more than anything.

    It just felt like a bit of self preservation to me, something I’ve never liked managers doing from Allardyce to Alex Neil.
     
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  12. Sol97uk

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    Mowbray has to be involved with recruitment discussions as players aren't just going to be dumped on him. I think as a collective team they would identify areas that need addressed, if the head coach wasn't involved with that the model wouldn't work as the person working day in day out with the players would know the areas best to address.

    I think Bob was probably right about Mowbray having a list but the players would need to be backed up by the data we use, probably dack was the only one who's data worked and no fee involved. The others may not have or the fee was too high.
     
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  13. Ozzymac

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    Depends how nice her tits were to be honest :)
     
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  14. Smug in Boots

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    In ny view its an opinion rather than a technical issue.

    I'd say Speakman is directly instructed by the owner, represents the club and carries out the owners wishes. The manager isn't directly instructed by the owner and reports to Speakman.

    I don't believe Speakman reports to Mowbray in the same way. So, although they're both employees as you rightly say, there's a subtle difference imo.
     
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  15. Kipper

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    KLD is basically Speakmans immediate boss/line manager

    Speakman is Mowbrays
     
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  16. Smug in Boots

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    It's certainly a significant consideration.
     
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  17. Chunksafc

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    Is the fan base so agitated though? Most seem to accept there is still 4 weeks left of the window
     
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  18. Smug in Boots

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    Most people seem to be really looking forward to the season imo ...

    ... the 'agitated brigade' seem to be a tiny percentage of people on forums.

    The main agitation seems to have been directed towards 'the Stewart situation situation' which Mowbray doesn't appear to believe is that much of a situation tbh.
     
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  19. Sour Patch

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    There is a very vocal minority who seem to hate the people running the club
     
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  20. Culinary

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    Reading RTG (I know, I know), Twitter and several posters on here I would say so.

    Loads bemoaning the model and wanting the whole thing ripped up and accusing the club of being tight. Fires which Mowbray stoked last night.
     
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