People who voted for remain, done so on the basis that white Europeans would continue to get preferential treatment with immigration over them African black folk.
Easy this.
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Easy this.
Not really baffling, if all the points I raised as to why I voted to leave had materialised then I would have been more than happy with my decision. Your obviously one of these people who's opinion is right and everyone else's is wrong , yet you claim everyone that voted leave is racist. You really are a silly little man aren't you
You didn't understand brexit, or the consequences yet you still voted leave
I'm not resorting to insults on here, but for the record I'm 6'2" and 260 pounds
I voted remain for a number of reasons, including:
-it seemed ridiculous to not be participating in a cooperative organisation with our nearest neighbours.
-I like travelling and was concerned that it might end relatively hassle-free travel in Europe.
-I had friends and colleagues from the continent who were concerned about how it would affect them.
-I know a couple of people who have held prominent positions in the City who thought it was a stupid thing to do from an economic point of view.
Following Brexit, I am very concerned by the impact its had on scientific research in this country and the barriers that have appeared preventing collaborative work between UK and European universities and other research institutions.
That doesn't mean that I think that the EU is wonderful; there are clearly things wrong with it. For example, I have always been concerned that it might lead to a federal Europe, and its blanket imposition of certain things, such as the Single Currency and the Common Agricultural Policy, seems heavy-handed.
I would be very pleased if we were to rejoin as, apart from one or two notable things, I don't believe we have seen any benefits.
One of the most obvious, but perhaps unexpected, results of Brexit is how its being used to divide people. Calling people 'remoaners' or talking about 'Brexshit' doesn't help anything.
While some people certainly did vote leave for xenophobic reasons (I know cos I knew people who told me they were voting leave to stop foreigners coming here) people also had other reasons for voting leave. Its simplistic and offensive to say that leave voters are racist or to call them 'little Englanders'. This implication that we should be ashamed to be British is ****ing stupid. I am proud to be British, I am proud of our history, institutions, and traditions and that includes being proud of elements of the former Empire. But my Polish and French mates who I was concerned about at the time of the Brexit vote should be equally proud of their countries and their history, institutions, and traditions.
The fact of the matter is that no one voted to make the country ****ter. No matter whether you voted remain or leave, you thought it was the best thing for the country. Although it was close, the democratic vote resulted in us leaving. People are constantly going on about the Tories undermining democracy so should be able to accept the democratically reached result of the referendum.
We all have to live in this country together and live with the result of the Brexit referendum together. Dividing each other up based on whether you voted leave or remain, whether you voted Conservative or Labour, or for any other reason, isn't going to improve anything. It's futile and destructive.
-it seemed ridiculous to not be participating in a cooperative organisation with our nearest neighbours.
-I like travelling and was concerned that it might end relatively hassle-free travel in Europe.
-I had friends and colleagues from the continent who were concerned about how it would affect them.
-I know a couple of people who have held prominent positions in the City who thought it was a stupid thing to do from an economic point of view.
Following Brexit, I am very concerned by the impact its had on scientific research in this country and the barriers that have appeared preventing collaborative work between UK and European universities and other research institutions.
That doesn't mean that I think that the EU is wonderful; there are clearly things wrong with it. For example, I have always been concerned that it might lead to a federal Europe, and its blanket imposition of certain things, such as the Single Currency and the Common Agricultural Policy, seems heavy-handed.
I would be very pleased if we were to rejoin as, apart from one or two notable things, I don't believe we have seen any benefits.
One of the most obvious, but perhaps unexpected, results of Brexit is how its being used to divide people. Calling people 'remoaners' or talking about 'Brexshit' doesn't help anything.
While some people certainly did vote leave for xenophobic reasons (I know cos I knew people who told me they were voting leave to stop foreigners coming here) people also had other reasons for voting leave. Its simplistic and offensive to say that leave voters are racist or to call them 'little Englanders'. This implication that we should be ashamed to be British is ****ing stupid. I am proud to be British, I am proud of our history, institutions, and traditions and that includes being proud of elements of the former Empire. But my Polish and French mates who I was concerned about at the time of the Brexit vote should be equally proud of their countries and their history, institutions, and traditions.
The fact of the matter is that no one voted to make the country ****ter. No matter whether you voted remain or leave, you thought it was the best thing for the country. Although it was close, the democratic vote resulted in us leaving. People are constantly going on about the Tories undermining democracy so should be able to accept the democratically reached result of the referendum.
We all have to live in this country together and live with the result of the Brexit referendum together. Dividing each other up based on whether you voted leave or remain, whether you voted Conservative or Labour, or for any other reason, isn't going to improve anything. It's futile and destructive.
interesting read on reasons why people voted and demographics if anyone interested. https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/03/a-reminder-of-how-britain-voted-in-the-eu-referendum-and-why/
Well said by Norton though, we just need to get on and eat the **** sandwich. If things evolve to take us back closer to Europe or instead we closer to the ex colonies then that’s what it is. Just need to get behind fixing what’s broke and working with what we have.
Well said by Norton though, we just need to get on and eat the **** sandwich. If things evolve to take us back closer to Europe or instead we closer to the ex colonies then that’s what it is. Just need to get behind fixing what’s broke and working with what we have.
Really good points there, Norton.
We are pretty divided and it’s destructive. What do you (or anyone) think are ways that the country as a whole can reduce the division and move forward more positively?
That's the million dollar question. I haven't got the foggiest how we solve it. I hope someone has. A sensible centre-ground voice who can bring people together would really help.
Excellent post and I'd applaud almost all of it.
The only thing I would say is that I believe virtually everyone accepted the democratically reached result of the referendum.
We should all accept the result ...
... that doesn't mean anyone should have to simply remain quiet and accept the results.
No one will accept a Labour GE win and never mention what transpires.
Still to this day believe that it was down to Cameron saying “we’re putting it to a vote but we know that everyone will vote remain”. I honestly believe that people are that petty!
This is it.
A massive part of ‘getting things right’ is debating, looking at and working through ‘where we went wrong’
Decisions are reversible. If the UK is gonna remain in this nose dive for an extended period, some things will be lost forever, we can’t allow that.
Even some sort of strong alliance without rejoining would show flexibility and foresight from the government.
Issue being, we already know they have zilch of either.
Would a single one of us, from either side, have voted in Sunak?
The point was more that we just have to look forward now, not back at the referendum. Having said that, there are definitely pockets of people who can't accept it- until about a year ago I was on a mailing list for an organisation who's stated aim is to "continue to challenge the political decision to leave, and campaign for the eventual restoration of European Union membership with all the benefits that would bring".
I think its fair enough saying "this element of Brexit isn't working" or "that element of Brexit isn't working" or even "no elements of Brexit are working" if that's the case. But that doesn't have to include direct or implied criticism of people for their choices.
Even the blue rinse brigade members preferred the lunatic Truss to Sunak in their vote for a new leader.
No issues with this.
Switzerland and Norway have close ties with the EU. They do better than pretty much every country within the EU without actually joining it.
It was the will of a slight majority of the people to leave the EU which is fine and democratic. However, according to the polls, it's now the preference of a sizeable majority that we rejoin.
If that majority continues to grow there has to be an argument for considering the idea, that's also democratic. IMO young people, now able to vote, will be more inclined to rejoin than those with rosy hindsight of the good old days.
It would be foolish to plough on if the benefits don't materialise and things just keep getting worse.
It would be foolish. But the very same people who defiantly defended Bonko will prefer to "plough on" rather than admit they were wrong.
It would be foolish. But the very same people who defiantly defended Bonko will prefer to "plough on" rather than admit they were wrong.
The usual defence of Boris seems to be that 'they're all just as bad' ...
... the defence of Brexit is that we'd be flying now if it wasn't for mischievous Lefty activists in the Civil Service.
As these people would be better off, if things weren't so bad, it's amazing that they'll sacrifice their own lifestyle to die on the idealistic hill of 'wrecking Brexit' ...
... furthermore they're anonymous so won't even cop any praise for their bureaucratic sabotage.