Brexitwatch ...

[Saf]

Yes. Let's have another referendum and rejoin in a few years. Then years later if the opinion polls change again we'll have another referendum and tell them we are leaving again. Then the next time the opinion polls change we'll have another referendum...

I'm sure the EU will love that.

 

[Smug in Boots]

Yes. Let's have another referendum and rejoin in a few years. Then years later if the opinion polls change again we'll have another referendum and tell them we are leaving again. Then the next time the opinion polls change we'll have another referendum...

I'm sure the EU will love that.

So you'd carry on like this no matter how bad things became even if rejoining would obviously be beneficial.

 

[Saf]

So you'd carry on like this no matter how bad things became even if rejoining would obviously be beneficial.

My point is we cant keep having referendums every time the opinion polls change. I've seen on here people who would like to be part of the EU would like another referendum on the back of the opinion polls. If that's the case then they need to be open to a referendum every time the opinion polls change.

It's not workable. We've made the decision, we need to get on with it. For what it's worth, I actually think the next Labour government will make a better go of it.

 

[The Norton Cat]

It was the will of a slight majority of the people to leave the EU which is fine and democratic. However, according to the polls, it's now the preference of a sizeable majority that we rejoin.

If that majority continues to grow there has to be an argument for considering the idea, that's also democratic. IMO young people, now able to vote, will be more inclined to rejoin than those with rosy hindsight of the good old days.

It would be foolish to plough on if the benefits don't materialise and things just keep getting worse.

Of course it would be foolish to plough on if that's case. But it would also be foolish to just say "this isn't working" and overturn the decision. That would immediately be denounced as going against the democratic will of the people and its not inconceivable that the would be some kind of punative condition on rejoining due to all the fuss we've caused. Rejoining the EU now would have to be achieved through a forward-moving process. That probably looks like the development of an increasingly close relationship with the EU until full membership become inevitable.

 

[Smug in Boots]

Of course it would be foolish to plough on if that's case. But it would also be foolish to just say "this isn't working" and overturn the decision. That would immediately be denounced as going against the democratic will of the people and its not inconceivable that the would be some kind of punative condition on rejoining due to all the fuss we've caused. Rejoining the EU now would have to be achieved through a forward-moving process. That probably looks like the development of an increasingly close relationship with the EU until full membership become inevitable.

Yes, it's all quite messy isn't it

 

[Smug in Boots]

My point is we cant keep having referendums every time the opinion polls change. I've seen on here people who would like to be part of the EU would like another referendum on the back of the opinion polls. If that's the case then they need to be open to a referendum every time the opinion polls change.

It's not workable. We've made the decision, we need to get on with it. For what it's worth, I actually think the next Labour government will make a better go of it.

Of course not but there has to be some sign of improvement at some point. Sunak was trotting out his five pledges again this morning, only now he's started adding 'but it'll be hard'.

So far inflation hasn't come down, NHS waiting lists haven't come down but, to be fair, the boats are coming down the coast quicker.

I've not seen a single poster saying we should have another referendum based on polls, or heard anyone say it off here tbh.

 

[DH4]

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[samwise_new]

i probably missed a lot of what the old 'common market' was meant to be being an early teen but i understood it was to balance out trade in europe (basically, you have to import xxx amount from one country to export xxx amount to that country) which sounds good, having a guaranteed export route for your product(s) but as we soon found it caused a lot of food mountains and liquid lakes and a lot of problems as countries started to complain that what they were importing were not as good as what they were exporting so food regulation became prominent (we have all heard of the amount of rules regarding bananas) and the modified food came about.

industries were taken from one country and started up in others, so they had more to export, i beilieve all of this basically became a 'false economy'...we all hear about the fish quotas iirc it all started because the british isles had it's own limit around our shores which was very well stocked and gave our industry some healthy catches, parts of europe complained that they were not allowed within that limit so the agreement was made to allow them in, i seem to recall many a fishermen being interviewed on the news complaining that their own quotas had been limited to a point it was barely worth going out and another once proud industry died off...my village had 3 farmers within it and a few more around the area, grain and potatoe fields were everywhere, a few cattle fields (both milk and beef) plus a few turnip fields was pretty much the main stay, i used to do the potatoe picking job every year, it filled a good month which gave some welcome extra pocket money then one year there was only 4 days work, the farm had been told only to grow a few and move other fields onto this rape seed oil (or oil seed rape, can never remember exactly the name)...now there is 1 farm on the outskirts and others have been taken over and 'diversified' with paintball/offroad/fisheries.

i voted leave in the hope that some of our industries would get that boost they needed, unfortunately we at the time had a bunch of half wits that had no plan of action because they did not expect the 'leave' vote to win, they then p1ssed around with their own leadership and tried to get what seemed to be pretty much our established EU agreement but without our membership, resulting in the EU just laughing at us then they 'fell in lucky' with covid giving them a damned good excuse, it was a complete shambles and i still feel if handled the right way it would have helped us.

 

[FellTop]

My point is we cant keep having referendums every time the opinion polls change. I've seen on here people who would like to be part of the EU would like another referendum on the back of the opinion polls. If that's the case then they need to be open to a referendum every time the opinion polls change.

It's not workable. We've made the decision, we need to get on with it. For what it's worth, I actually think the next Labour government will make a better go of it.

We have been getting on with it for 7 years. The outcomes are clear. The talk of tories failing to deliver are easy to make, but hard to evidence in my opinion. Labour wont make a better go if it because the EU have already said they wont rethink anything until 2026. So that will be 10 years of getting on with it, and I would bet it will be every bit as negative for us all as it is now. In 2026 Labour will have the same challenges as the tories have had, we are negotiating as 1 against 20 something. It is unavoidable that the EU wont ever allow us to be better off being out than in. The irony of it is I believe the EU will welcome us back with all sorts of bonhommie. The look for them is perfect.

Labour will get in next year. Arguably a lot of the vote shift to them will be those wanting back in or original remain voters. It is easy to say they wont revisit it now. I would bet they do in term 2, by then the demands for a return will be noisy. The voter population will be dramatically different, 12 years of younger voters who see benefits for them. By 2029, and Labour having had 5 years of learning how difficult to put this country back together really is, they will build an even bigger majority by committing to rejoining the EU, or a referendum on it. It is a matter of time before we are back in for me.

 

[Saf]

We have been getting on with it for 7 years. The outcomes are clear. The talk of tories failing to deliver are easy to make, but hard to evidence in my opinion. Labour wont make a better go if it because the EU have already said they wont rethink anything until 2026. So that will be 10 years of getting on with it, and I would bet it will be every bit as negative for us all as it is now. In 2026 Labour will have the same challenges as the tories have had, we are negotiating as 1 against 20 something. It is unavoidable that the EU wont ever allow us to be better off being out than in. The irony of it is I believe the EU will welcome us back with all sorts of bonhommie. The look for them is perfect.

Labour will get in next year. Arguably a lot of the vote shift to them will be those wanting back in or original remain voters. It is easy to say they wont revisit it now. I would bet they do in term 2, by then the demands for a return will be noisy. The voter population will be dramatically different, 12 years of younger voters who see benefits for them. By 2029, and Labour having had 5 years of learning how difficult to put this country back together really is, they will build an even bigger majority by committing to rejoining the EU, or a referendum on it. It is a matter of time before we are back in for me.

I think you're in denial.

Every person I know who voted remain was convinced we would vote to stay and now they're all convinced we are going to rejoin. It's like they're all lovesick and can't let go.

The countries who have close ties to the EU but refuse to be a part of it are the countries who tend to do better than the countries within the EU. Norway and Switzerland are prime examples. That's what we need to be aiming for. They've proved you can be prosperous without joining.

 

[Smug in Boots]

I think you're in denial.

Every person I know who voted remain was convinced we would vote to stay and now they're all convinced we are going to rejoin. It's like they're all lovesick and can't let go.

The countries who have close ties to the EU but refuse to be a part of it are the countries who tend to do better than the countries within the EU. Norway and Switzerland are prime examples. That's what we need to be aiming for. They've proved you can be prosperous without joining.

You can't even begin to compare us to Norway or Switzerland, we're a totally different entity.

Both have excellent health care, social responsibility and stability ...

... neither are ever likely to crash their own economy or have three leaders in three months.

 

[Downeys Loup]

i probably missed a lot of what the old 'common market' was meant to be being an early teen but i understood it was to balance out trade in europe (basically, you have to import xxx amount from one country to export xxx amount to that country) which sounds good, having a guaranteed export route for your product(s) but as we soon found it caused a lot of food mountains and liquid lakes and a lot of problems as countries started to complain that what they were importing were not as good as what they were exporting so food regulation became prominent (we have all heard of the amount of rules regarding bananas) and the modified food came about.

industries were taken from one country and started up in others, so they had more to export, i beilieve all of this basically became a 'false economy'...we all hear about the fish quotas iirc it all started because the british isles had it's own limit around our shores which was very well stocked and gave our industry some healthy catches, parts of europe complained that they were not allowed within that limit so the agreement was made to allow them in, i seem to recall many a fishermen being interviewed on the news complaining that their own quotas had been limited to a point it was barely worth going out and another once proud industry died off...my village had 3 farmers within it and a few more around the area, grain and potatoe fields were everywhere, a few cattle fields (both milk and beef) plus a few turnip fields was pretty much the main stay, i used to do the potatoe picking job every year, it filled a good month which gave some welcome extra pocket money then one year there was only 4 days work, the farm had been told only to grow a few and move other fields onto this rape seed oil (or oil seed rape, can never remember exactly the name)...now there is 1 farm on the outskirts and others have been taken over and 'diversified' with paintball/offroad/fisheries.

i voted leave in the hope that some of our industries would get that boost they needed, unfortunately we at the time had a bunch of half wits that had no plan of action because they did not expect the 'leave' vote to win, they then p1ssed around with their own leadership and tried to get what seemed to be pretty much our established EU agreement but without our membership, resulting in the EU just laughing at us then they 'fell in lucky' with covid giving them a damned good excuse, it was a complete shambles and i still feel if handled the right way it would have helped us.

Yeah, we got the whole process the completely the wrong way around. As I understand it when we went into the common market we negotiated a deal and then voted on it. On the way out we voted on it then tried to negotiate the deal. No wonder nobody had a clue. Sensible thing would be to negotiate the exit deal and then vote?

Anyway, problem about going back in now as both political parties are desperate for votes. Any policy that might alienate even a few voters is off the table. Our first past the post political system sees to that.

 

[GaryClark]

I think you're in denial.

Every person I know who voted remain was convinced we would vote to stay and now they're all convinced we are going to rejoin. It's like they're all lovesick and can't let go.

The countries who have close ties to the EU but refuse to be a part of it are the countries who tend to do better than the countries within the EU. Norway and Switzerland are prime examples. That's what we need to be aiming for. They've proved you can be prosperous without joining.

Would never accept the Norwegian approach. Sign up to all the single market rules but no say at all. Not a good option at all.

 

[TopCat.]

My point is we cant keep having referendums every time the opinion polls change. I've seen on here people who would like to be part of the EU would like another referendum on the back of the opinion polls. If that's the case then they need to be open to a referendum every time the opinion polls change.

It's not workable. We've made the decision, we need to get on with it. For what it's worth, I actually think the next Labour government will make a better go of it.

I think it would have been sensible for the Govt to undertake studies and research to understand exactly what Brexit would mean for the country and for the common man before letting people vote on something that no-one understood. Unfortunately too many people believed slogans like "take back control" and "£350m a week for the NHS". Had people known what they were voting for/against then maybe more people would have accepted the outcome.

 

[Iain]

I think it would have been sensible for the Govt to undertake studies and research to understand exactly what Brexit would mean for the country and for the common man before letting people vote on something that no-one understood. Unfortunately too many people believed slogans like "take back control" and "£350m a week for the NHS". Had people known what they were voting for/against then maybe more people would have accepted the outcome.

That would have been an extremely good post if it wasn't for the fact that you have openly criticised the voters that did exactly that

 

[flandersmackem]

The misinformation surrounding the vote to leave was breathtaking. The likes of Johnson, Gove et al drip fed to promise of less immigration and more money for the NHS and of course all our own laws been decided in the UK. That was meat and drink for your average working person. The argument to stay was at best benign...not hard hitting at all and simply the promise of carry on as usual. Hardly a mention of freedom of movement, being involved in the biggest trading bloc on the planet, No wonder Cameron and Osborne fell on their swords and they completely messed up the remain campaign. Not sure what the future will hold, but going back now will be very awkward but with the right leadership is doable....The right leadership is the main issue I fear.

 

[Smug in Boots]

The misinformation surrounding the vote to leave was breathtaking. The likes of Johnson, Gove et al drip fed to promise of less immigration and more money for the NHS and of course all our own laws been decided in the UK. That was meat and drink for your average working person. The argument to stay was at best benign...not hard hitting at all and simply the promise of carry on as usual. Hardly a mention of freedom of movement, being involved in the biggest trading bloc on the planet, No wonder Cameron and Osborne fell on their swords and they completely messed up the remain campaign. Not sure what the future will hold, but going back now will be very awkward but with the right leadership is doable....The right leadership is the main issue I fear.

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Since Johnson got his way the NHS waiting lists have increased, immigration has increased, illegal immigration has increased and our democracy had resulted in an unelected PM.


He's been fined by the police and kicked out of office ...

... yes our democracy is sacrosanct and in good hands

 

[flandersmackem]

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Yep, that was the bulls hit that the voters fell for. This from a pathological liar...and people believed him

 

[master-simpson]

Just can’t believe The Remoaners on here trotting out the same old arguments.

It’s still very early in the process, but we’ll get there.

We are GREAT BRITAIN.

Bart

 

[Sour Patch]

Just can’t believe The Remoaners on here trotting out the same old arguments.

It’s still very early in the process, but we’ll get there.

We are GREAT BRITAIN.

Bart

Early? It’s been 7 years. Nothing good has came of it and most people still don’t even understand what they voted for/against.