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Transfer Rumours Summer '23 Transfer Thread

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by originallambrettaman, Apr 20, 2023.

  1. Mckechnie Orange

    Mckechnie Orange Well-Known Member

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    'Cos the game is a out foot all, not percentiles?

    What percentile is he in for sticking it in' t onion ag?

    I'm sure TwoWrights would agree..
     
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    But that's compared to players who have played more than he has, so of course he'll rank lower. He's near the top end for number of times successfully tackled when in possession (0.42 per 90) and is dispossessed 0.89 times per 90 mins. That suggests to me that when he has the ball, he doesn't lose it unless he makes a stray pass.

    Also, he has a 66% pass success rate, which is two out of every three, which again for a striker isn't terrible and given the circumstances this season, could be a lot worse. The answer to our problems is probably in this set of stats...

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  3. Shark Sports

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    The percentile is done per 90, so it's as fair as it possibly can be and eliminates any advantage for more minutes played.

    I think the numbers give a very fair overview of Oscar, the finishing stats are top-drawer, the passing stats are woeful and the aerial stats are okay.

    EDIT: Looking back to his previous season in Portugal and his stats are pretty much an exact mirror of this season (better aerially in Portugal as you'd expect) so all this talk of how he'll magically be better next season seems to be pretty hopeful.
     
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    You can't always make assumptions about the meaning of stats though. Successful passes per 90 or key passes per 90 might be an indicator of pass quality, but in the case of a striker it will be heavily affected by how often they get the ball. Oscar is a poacher in a team that has struggled to get the ball into the box. We already know he's not getting many touches a lot of the time, so of course he isn't making a large quantity of passes. Doesn't necessarily mean that he can't if he has the ball often enough. His assist for Tufan away at Burnley was a pretty nice example of him playing someone in, off the top of my head.
     
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  5. Mckechnie Orange

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    He's been playing more or less up there by himself.

    Your generalised stats can tell you what you wish to interpret. Fact is he's done OK with no consistent support.
    Quantitative statisticss are only as good as the methodology they're based on.

    Anyone with a professional understanding of statistical analysis will understand this.

    Sometimes a qualitative methodology or at least a qualitative element is best appropriate,

    You're committing a classic, schoolboy error here that you will need to address if you wish to pursue a level 7 qualification in statistics.

    Sorry, felt like I was talking to a student for minute there...
     
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  6. Steven Toast

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    I think it's down to a lack of willing runners. In the games running up to his injury, the only overlaps he had came from Slater and Tufan, both of which are hardly known for their pace. Tetteh provided Oscar with more assists than any other player, so it makes sense to have those two together in the team, with another creative player behind them to link the midfield and attack. This is why I think the 4-3-3 is the way forward for us, the issue in previous seasons was we couldn't afford the quality to play such a formation. With what we have to play with now, I think it's a system that'll serve us well.
     
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  7. Shark Sports

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    Those numbers aren't just for forwards, they're for every player in the Championship and that includes keepers and centre-halves. His key passes numbers are shocking, and last season playing for a side that finished 6th he was in the 35th percentile which is only a minor improvement in a decent side.

    At what point do you stop making excuses for him and just admit it's awful for a forward player.
     
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  8. Shark Sports

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    But why were his passing stats in Portugal for a decent side so poor too?

    Can't we just take Oscar for what he is? A good finisher who can't really do much else
     
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  9. Mckechnie Orange

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    As opposed to Eaves you mean? A poor finisher who could do even less else?
     
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    But Eaves was on probably 1/6 or 1/7 of what Oscar's on. I don't see why it's an either-or situation and we need somebody that can do a little bit of both
     
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  11. Mckechnie Orange

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    We have. Benji.

    And Oscar's a high earner, but not in the Pelkas, Vale, Tufan category. Think more Christie territory.

    And he was a free transfer (if you actually believe in such things)
     
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    Alan Nixon reporting we’ve given up on pursuing Darlow.
     
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  13. Mckechnie Orange

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    As soon as the smogs came in it was never gonna happen - unless Acun can work his Seri magic again.

    Bigger club can pay more and it's closer to his established home.

    We had other targets in Jan before Darlow was signed. Some of them might raise eyebrows in the coming weeks.
     
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    Fair enough, wise call to move on nice and early and I can't blame Karl for taking a larger offer.

    It's the downside of loaning a top player who just needed a few games to put himself back in the shop window
     
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    Targets that’ll be improvements on Ingram or likely to be backups?
     
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    Haha welcome to my mindset six months ago. I thought the attraction of buying City was how much headroom we have but we've supposedly used it all up in 18 months of ownership. Considering how much we sold KLP for it boggles the mind at how mismanaged the last summer must have been for us to be in this position.
     
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    2nd/3rd choice prem keepers with championship accolades. There's a long enough list who'd compete strongly with Matty.

    It won't have done us any harm rehabilitating Darlow to the footballing consciousness in attracting successors at all.

    I'd not be too worried starting the season with Matty and Lo-Tut. anyway. Just hope we've got another senior by the end of the window, and Lo-Tutala goes out and plays by the end of it.

    If the likes of Baxter are available on a free then it's not unlikely well find another decent first team option who fits for our style and budget.
     
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  18. WestStandTiger

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    I’d heard a little whisper yesterday that Leicester and Brentford were both interested in Greaves too.
     
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  19. Mckechnie Orange

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    Or maybe just the headroom thing was just a line trotted out by the Allam's to market the club to potential buyers whilst conveniently justifying their imposed austerity to fans?

    Who'd a thunk they could do such a thing eh?
    Headroom. Is dependent on turnover.

    Relegation on a huge wagebill, 8k crowds, Covid, a season in L1 despite winning it had a bad effect on turnover in the 3 year ffp reporting period Acun inherited the club in and still does to the end of this financial year..

    What he did apparently get was a Championship club free of debt once he paid the covid loan to lift the embargo at least (is that exempt from FFP losses? - doubt it! ) and very few expensive long term contractual liabilities on the playing side.
     
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    Brentford have signed Romeo Beckham on a one year permanent contract.
     
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