Match Day Thread Sunderland v Hull City

[Citygirl]

Did you miss the 4-4 against Swansea a few seasons ago?

That was a Friday night too. Think it was SKY as well . Eaves with a last gasp leveller .

 

[TIGERSCAVE]

I said last night someone needed a yellow in the build up to their first goal (swipe and a miss by Clarke BTW went down as an assist)... but surely Seri has to handle the ball, grab it, make the referee make a decision which would have been a) free kick to us b) handball free kick to them cP) deliberate hand ball and booking...

 

[NewcastleTiger]

I said last night someone needed a yellow in the build up to their first goal (swipe and a miss by Clarke BTW went down as an assist)... but surely Seri has to handle the ball, grab it, make the referee make a decision which would have been a) free kick to us b) handball free kick to them cP) deliberate hand ball and booking...

Coyle had a pathetic attempt at trying to do just that

 

[Jim the Tiger]

I mean we played with Longman up top in the reverse Rotherham fixture and it was one of our best performances this season but it didn't work last week.

Yesterday's game was different as Sunderland came with ambition not just with the intention of defending deep.

I know what you're saying about how Rotherham set up but there was far less urgency to try and get forward against Rotherham. There were times when Jones would just stand still with the ball at his feet panicking.
Even when Sunderland twigged that we are terrible with the ball at the back and they put pressure on by pressing we played faster and went more direct.
The same space was there against Rotherham but for whatever reason we chose not to play into it with the urgency of yesterday.

Monday will be interesting. There is nothing to play for, it's time to take the shackles off and play like Sunderland did at home.

 

[Tigerboy98]

Last night really shows we need upgrades on both fullbacks, with this setup the fullbacks are gonna be on the ball so much more and need to be able to carry it forward. It was frustrating seeing the acres of space that Coyle had but just wasn’t able to capitalise on it.

 

[John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.]

Last night really shows we need upgrades on both fullbacks, with this setup the fullbacks are gonna be on the ball so much more and need to be able to carry it forward. It was frustrating seeing the acres of space that Coyle had but just wasn’t able to capitalise on it.

It certainly showed up Coyle deficiencies yesterday, Clarke had him on toast.

 

[Evington]

Don't disagree about Oscar and it makes me a bit concerned about which of our assets have actually appreciated in value over the past 12 months. Tufan maybe? Greaves? Outside that not sure we'd get much of a return.

Slater?

 

[bradymk2]

get barnes in on a free?

 

[Howdentiger2]

It certainly showed up Coyle deficiencies yesterday, Clarke had him on toast.

TBF to coyle, Clarke has done that to most defences this season

 

[Shark Sports]

It certainly showed up Coyle deficiencies yesterday, Clarke had him on toast.

Our back up right back came up against one of the best wingers in the league. Coyle always struggles against that type of winger so it's nothing new

 

[AmalCarb]

Monday will be interesting. There is nothing to play for, it's time to take the shackles off and play like Sunderland did at home.[/QUOTE]


Plenty to play for yet.

Especially for those players still struggling to convince Rosenior…



Allam’s GONE.

 

[highpeak tiger]

Have we a right back for monday?

 

[greene]

Did you miss the 4-4 against Swansea a few seasons ago?

Yeah, bit tricky making every game when you've lived 5,000 miles away for last 35 years.

 

[John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.]

I said last night someone needed a yellow in the build up to their first goal (swipe and a miss by Clarke BTW went down as an assist)... but surely Seri has to handle the ball, grab it, make the referee make a decision which would have been a) free kick to us b) handball free kick to them cP) deliberate hand ball and booking...

I thought that is what he was going to do, grab the ball, but then he didn't.

 

[Brucebones]

Both players are a joy to watch and both got caught in possession from time to time, you seem to be forgetting Huddlestone always moved at the speed of a supertanker and in his second stint gave away lots of free kicks in dangerous areas and even the odd penalty.

I love them both and I’m happy to forgive them the odd error for the benefit they bring to the rest of the game.

Yes Hudds was slow, but that wasn’t his game, I’m talking about passing the ball, the first stint with us was obviously much better than his second cameo, but he still passed better than Seri, which was my original point when I read people saying Seri is superior in passing to Hudds.

 

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[WSTiger]

Baz’s player ratings are a right load of nonsense.

Well I would agree with that but he seems to have made somewhat of an amends this morning with a decent piece about Tufan and Traore in which as well as praising Tufan he had good things to say about Traore which belied his rating of 6 that he had given him earlier.

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/sunderland-4-4-hull-city-8334707

He did indicate that he did not have a great view so maybe that was part of the problem.

And for me who has not watched a in person a game since the 70's its easy to forget how difficult it is to follow and judge passages of play when you are watching in a stadium compared to watching on a big screen TV.
But to give Baz his due he is normally thereabouts with his ratings, maybe it was just a bad day at the office as City seem to have on occasion.

As an aside I agree with his assessment of Tufan (we seem to be a different team when he plays) and similarly with that of Traore his ability to thread passes through that lead to clear cut chances is non pareil.

 

[Cityzen]

Well I would agree with that but he seems to have made somewhat of an amends this morning with a decent piece about Tufan and Traore in which as well as praising Tufan he had good things to say about Traore which belied his rating of 6 that he had given him earlier.

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/sunderland-4-4-hull-city-8334707

He did indicate that he did not have a great view so maybe that was part of the problem.

And for me who has not watched a in person a game since the 70's its easy to forget how difficult it is to follow and judge passages of play when you are watching in a stadium compared to watching on a big screen TV.
But to give Baz his due he is normally thereabouts with his ratings, maybe it was just a bad day at the office as City seem to have on occasion.

As an aside I agree with his assessment of Tufan (we seem to be a different team when he plays) and similarly with that of Traore his ability to thread passes through that lead to clear cut chances is non pareil.

You get a lot better idea of the play in the stadium where you can see all of the pitch and what players are doing away from the ball whereas watching on a screen the camera is following where the ball is and you see less of the pitch.

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

Actually the save was at 3-3. Point stands though.

This in the middle of the report tells everyone exactly what the purpose is.

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[kingstontiger]

I’d drop Ebiowei for Tufan rather than dropping Longman. Yes, Longman looked fairly useless as a striker against Rotherham but I was surprised he got hooked at half-time. You can tell Ebiowei is a talented lad but his attitude and body language is all wrong imo. I understand Rosy likes players he’s previously worked with like Connolly and Ebiowei but the latter just looks like he doesn’t want to be here at all. Even at that open training event on Monday he looked petulant and miserable. Some loan players have really good attitudes and others see loans as work experience they’d rather not do.

Troy Deeney was on a podcast not too long ago and he said the best loanees for lower division clubs were Man Utd youngsters as their attitude was always brilliant. Not arrogant, always looking to learn, always getting stuck in and being part of the team even if it’s only for 6 months or a season. Pretty much all of the loanees we’ve had from Man Utd have had great attitudes and we signed a lot on permanent deals because of it like Chester, Evans, Brady etc. Other clubs just don’t have that same ethos for their youngsters and it shows. Too many thinking they don’t have to graft or don’t have anything to learn from the lower divisions as they come from Prem academies with top coaching staff and facilities. I don’t understand Ebiowei’s attitude because he started off at Derby in the Championship. I know Sinik didn’t adjust well to life in England but I’d rather him be getting minutes for us right now than a Crystal Palace loanee who we definitely won’t be signing permanently.

And weve killed their play off hopes

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Don't disagree about Oscar and it makes me a bit concerned about which of our assets have actually appreciated in value over the past 12 months. Tufan maybe? Greaves? Outside that not sure we'd get much of a return.

Really don't see how Greaves has appreciated. Macca proved to be a better CB and once again last night I thought Greaves really struggled at LB. Elder improved us down that flank when he came on. I do like Greaves but would be happy to see him leave for a decent fee in the summer.