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The way forward for THFC ??

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  1. The Changing Man

    The Changing Man Well-Known Member

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    We have reached 4 FA cup semi finals in the last 20 seasons the same number as Liverpool, over that period Chelsea have reached 9, Man U 8 City and Arsenal 7.

    In those 4 semi finals we were comprehensively beaten 5-1 by Chelsea though the 2nd goal was a mile from going over the line but was somehow given and we collapsed the other Chelsea semi we played Son at LWB, but it was a good game between the best 2 sides in the league. The Man U semi was again an even match that could have gone either way, and we battered Portsmouth, Crouchie had a goal disallowed for something ridiculous and we conceded early and late in extra time (if memory serves me correctly). I fail to see what any of these defeats had to do with the ownership of the club, we are due some good fortune which may have got in our run to the Champions league final, but in 3 of the semi finals the result could quite easily have gone the other way.
     
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  2. Citizen Kane.

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    Brilliant post and an excellent summary <applause>

    Levy the businessman is a genius.

    Levy the football 'expert' is a buffoon who occasionally stumbles across a good decision and when it falls in his lap, he doesn't know what to do with it.

    As Paratici gets dragged further towards a Turin court of law, we're starting to see Levy's fingerprints on things again. The ridiculous dallying over Porro only to spend exactly what Sporting were asking for a month earlier, the current indecisiveness over Conte and the total lack of cohesive vision moving forward. All these have Daniel's hallmark on them and I worry if Paratici does as is expected receive a lengthy ban, things will regress to the sort of nonsense we saw in the Amazon series where even relatively minor players apparently have the prerogative to sit down with the chairman of a billion pound company over a croissant and discuss transfer deals, or of the chairman sitting down with new signings to give them little pep talks about how with hard work he passed his GCSEs.

    Levy approaches business like one of the most shrewd and thorough operators in the world. But he approaches football like a child with a computer game, stumbling from decision to decision too often with stars in his eyes (Mourinho) or delusions of grandeur (Conte), hoping he gets something right.

    I am more than happy for ENIC to remain in place as they are in all likelihood far better than the alternatives and tbh if building go kart tracks is the alternative to dismembering journalists in an embassy, so be it.

    But an uncompromisingly strong divide at executive level needs to be drawn between 'business' and 'pleasure' and Levy in particular should have absolutely no say in the latter apart from setting the annual budget for purchases and wages. He should only be stepping in at times of real crisis such as if a player is guilty of gross misconduct. He should not be discussing Milan over a croissant or trying to motivate a lard arse with an interpreter explaining what GCSEs are in French.

    Will this happen? I hope so. Levy is obviously an extremely smart man. It took two years of misery and a horrifically toxic atmosphere for him to bring in Paratici. As I said, the omens at the moment are not good and hint towards Daniel getting back into the driver's seat. If that happens, I fear for our short to medium term future.
     
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  3. humanbeingincroydon

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    It does become an issue when stubbornness is overruling common sense (or, to look at it another way, overruling long-term employment prospects)

    Case in point, Tielemans was the exact sort of player who would have thrived in Poch's system, but because he had tunnel vision he slipped through our fingers - which became doubly infuriating when he had us playing a three-man midfield the next season, which Tielemans would have been a perfect fit for

    As for Santini, the fact he was harrumphing at the thought 9f bringing in Andy Reid while insisting that Michael Carrick was a LW (as he was also harrumphing at having Carrick "imposed" on him, as if he didn't understand the brief or something...) sped up Martin Jol's shuffling up the bench considerably
     
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  4. The RDBD

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    More like the club that are myth shatters of so-called "elite" coaches/managers.
     
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  5. humanbeingincroydon

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    TBH, Man Utd had already laid the groundwork for exposing the ubermensch as a managerial fraud

    The real issue is that we've exposed ourselves to managers who are far too rigid in their tactics when their tactics would only really apply to at best half of the squad, something which isn't an issue when you either have bottomless cash reserves to add the necessary components so the entire team fit in with the tactics like the various oil barons out there or the club is run on a shoestring so the manager gets the most bang for every buck spent such as Pulis at Stoke or Dyche at Burnley, but if a club is between those two points once things start to go wrong they quickly snowball - and that's what has happened not just with Conte and the ubermensch, but also with Santini, Villas-Boas and Bloke in a Coat

    In terms of Conte, the main issue this season has been the exact same one as Villas-Boas: illusions of being flexible in the first season, but come the second season the rigidity comes back with a vengeance and things started to get ugly either on the pitch or off of it...or both
     
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  6. Lovearsenalcock

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    manager killers
     
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  7. KingHotspur

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    Yep, always the manager that is the issue, not the sub standard players or owners that go for cheap loan options and keep picking unsuitable managers everytime anyway.

    New manager will definitely solve every issue and we definitely won’t be in the same situation in 18-24 months <laugh>
     
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  8. PowerSpurs

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    We don't have sub standard players...we have the ones we can afford.
    The issue will be around until we have similar income to Man Utd, Man City and Liverpool. That will take longer than two years unfortunately. There is one short cut...the Club issues 33% more shares to a new shareholder and spends the lot on players.
     
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  9. Lovearsenalcock

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    Its not even amounts considering how much we waste on substandard purchases. It’s about spending it in the right areas at the right times due to having an understanding of the game or giving up on a target because you’ve just spotted an opportunity to buy 2 crap players instead of 1 decent one


    sort yourself out Daniel
     
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  10. KingHotspur

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    Yeah buying Richarlison (not needed) and then not having money to buy a much needed centre back and having to loan Lenglet instead smacked of poor priorities and has shown to be a huge mistake
     
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  11. humanbeingincroydon

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    Also, one obvious question: who picks these substandard players? Not just for the starting xi, but as transfer targets?
     
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  12. Spurs61

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    More like the club that nobody can manage to become winners
     
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  13. humanbeingincroydon

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    Except Juande Ramos, who couldn't even be bothered to come up with a tactical plan for half of our matches
     
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  14. The RDBD

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    Pochettino got to heights that the so-called "elite"
    managers have not managed to match, or better.

    I can it explain it in simple quantum "energy level" terms,
    but meanwhile the executive summary IMHO is that :

    1. Conte and Jose are rated far more highly than they truly are

    2. Spurs squads over the past 4 seasons are collectively
    rated far lower than they truly are
     
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  15. PleaseNotPoll

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  16. KingHotspur

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    Worrying if true but probably bollocks
     
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  17. Lovearsenalcock

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    Dier, Sanchez Lloris n Ben Davies is my bet
     
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  19. Spurf

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    Too soon to get Poch back IMO but not too soon to get 'Arrry to see us safely to the season end and further if he wanted too.
     
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  20. PowerSpurs

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    If you look over a sensible time period we really don't have a bad transfer record under ENIC. If you look at Pochettino's squad for example then Lloris, Walker, Rose, Vertonghen, Alderweireld, Dembele, Dier, Dele, Eriksen and Son didn't cost much over £100m between them and we also had Davies, Trippier, Wanyama on the bench. That's insanely good and it's hardly surprising it wasn't sustained. Our bad signings were generally made when Pochettino and Mourinho were choosing the players in any case. There is no evidence that Levy is an issue.
     
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