The way forward for THFC ??

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The RDBD said:
Not once in my Spurs supporting time have I ever thought
"It's been N years since Spurs last won the league. About time
we won one by now" etc.

All that should matter is the club you support :

is playing decent football that you enjoy watching (more so if
you are a "paying customer" ) - the silverware is a bonus

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Well I don't count myself as a spring chicken and since 1961 I have thought every year "it is now N years since we won the league and hoped this would be the season"
By whose definition do we decide "all that should matter"
Each person has their own idea of what matters. I love winning - in everything I have ever tried. The buzz from winning I find exhilarating. Yes I can enjoy a good game of football but how many supporters leave a match they have drawn or lost fully satisfied because "it was a good performance?"
I want Spurs to win the League - not so that I can crow to others but so I can feel the exultation of having us Champions
For me the silverware is why we compete rather than becoming a Harlem Globe Trotters playing exhibition football. How many clubs and their supporters do not start the season wanting to reach the top of where their club could get (which differs for each). But a club like Spurs can reach for the number 1 spot.
The same applies to England - otherwise why the 40 (now the near 80) years of hurt. Blow playing nice football - when we take on Germany at penalties we want to win.
 
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PowerSpurs said:
The standard then was both lower (because nearly all the players were from the British Isles) and more even (because there were not such big differences in income). So much more likely for teams outside the big five to win a cup.
And what's more...from 1960 to 1990 we were in the big five so should have done a lot better
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I don't think it is fair to compare standards from different eras - it has improved immeasurably across the decades in every sport - not least because of professionalism. Each team can only compete against the opposition that exists then.
There was no big 5 or 6 back in the 60s. From 1960 to 69, eight different teams won the league. Only Man U and Liverpool won it twice. That continued on into the 70s until Liverpool became the one and only team for nearly a decade until Heysal.
The Premier League destroyed everything - sport is now just a business that billionaires use as playthings to keep them from their boredom. Unfortunately us fans - certainly ones who go back a few years- remember something quite different - and for me better.
 
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Spurs61 said:
I don't think it is fair to compare standards from different eras - it has improved immeasurably across the decades in every sport - not least because of professionalism. Each team can only compete against the opposition that exists then.
There was no big 5 or 6 back in the 60s. From 1960 to 69, eight different teams won the league. Only Man U and Liverpool won it twice. That continued on into the 70s until Liverpool became the one and only team for nearly a decade until Heysal.
The Premier League destroyed everything - sport is now just a business that billionaires use as playthings to keep them from their boredom. Unfortunately us fans - certainly ones who go back a few years- remember something quite different - and for me better.
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There were certainly clubs in the 60s who spent a lot more than the rest and Spurs were one of them.
I agree with your last point....that's also why previous strategies for winning don't work. The only sure way is having more money. Spurs are actually well placed to improve in that regard but it won't be easy.
 
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Spurs61 said:
Well I don't count myself as a spring chicken and since 1961 I have thought every year "it is now N years since we won the league and hoped this would be the season"
By whose definition do we decide "all that should matter".
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By the fact that professional football is entertainment.
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
I can understand why people may agree with this, but it seems to be purely opinion based.
Wigan score 15 points for governance, as do Spurs. They can't even pay their players.
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I think it refers to governance per the fans rather than employees of the club, so things like ticket prices, access to tickets, laws of allocation and reallocation, laws within the stadium (I've certainly found it to be much stricter in the new stadium and on the few occasions I've been have been told off multiple times by stewards either for standing up or signing too loudly) etc.
 
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Citizen Kane. said:
I think it refers to governance per the fans rather than employees of the club, so things like ticket prices, access to tickets, laws of allocation and reallocation, laws within the stadium (I've certainly found it to be much stricter in the new stadium and on the few occasions I've been have been told off multiple times by stewards either for standing up or signing too loudly) etc.
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Really? Maybe it's about where you are in the stadium?
I've never had that happen and I'm in one of the quieter parts.
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
Really? Maybe it's about where you are in the stadium?
I've never had that happen and I'm in one of the quieter parts.
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Yeah I pretty much grab tickets wherever I can...not sure if the people I buy them from are allowed to sell them to me but hush hush don't tell the plod.

I've been a few times in what was probably a family section and got told off for shouting too loudly (I couldn't help it, Sessegnon was playing). They also tell you off for standing if you're in one of the uppermost rows, as it is deemed a health and safety risk. You know, just in case you smuggle a paraglider in with you.
 
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Citizen Kane. said:
Yeah I pretty much grab tickets wherever I can...not sure if the people I buy them from are allowed to sell them to me but hush hush don't tell the plod.

I've been a few times in what was probably a family section and got told off for shouting too loudly (I couldn't help it, Sessegnon was playing). They also tell you off for standing if you're in one of the uppermost rows, as it is deemed a health and safety risk. You know, just in case you smuggle a paraglider in with you.
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Yeah, I'm virtually on the pitch, so they probably don't care.
I'm sure that the officials appreciate my input, though. <ok>
 
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The RDBD said:
From the "bread and circus" of ancient Rome
to the modern day "opiate of the masses" , a key
role of sporting events in human society over
the ages is well-known.
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yes - but you do know it is Spurs you are talklng about here.
Do you know any team that set out not to win when it entered a competition? Entertainment yes, rewards financial and other yes.
So to suggest that "all that should matter" is entertainment is not a view all would agree with

oh - and I thought that it was religion rather than sport which was called the opiate of the masses
 
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Spurs61 said:
yes - but you do know it is Spurs you are talklng about here.
Do you know any team that set out not to win when it entered a competition? Entertainment yes, rewards financial and other yes.
So to suggest that "all that should matter" is entertainment is not a view all would agree with

oh - and I thought that it was religion rather than sport which was called the opiate of the masses
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If winning didn’t matter then we wouldn’t keep score
 
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This might end up being wide of the mark, but has anyone else noticed that we seem to be leaning towards a Portuguese blueprint going forward?

Ruben Amorim is reportedly on the managerial shortlist, and now Sergio Conceicao is being linked
Rui Pedro Braz was quickly named as a potential Paratici replacement
We're certainly looking at Primeira Liga talent, most obviously signing Pedro Porro and making a bid for Luis Diaz

Might be a coincidence, but then again it might not

That'll be £6.99
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
This might end up being wide of the mark, but has anyone else noticed that we seem to be leaning towards a Portuguese blueprint going forward?

Ruben Amorim is reportedly on the managerial shortlist, and now Sergio Conceicao is being linked
Rui Pedro Braz was quickly named as a potential Paratici replacement
We're certainly looking at Primeira Liga talent, most obviously signing Pedro Porro and making a bid for Luis Diaz

Might be a coincidence, but then again it might not

That'll be £6.99
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I sincerely hope not. The football played there is largely turgid crap.
 
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Spurs61 said:
yes - but you do know it is Spurs you are talklng about here.
Do you know any team that set out not to win when it entered a competition? Entertainment yes, rewards financial and other yes.
So to suggest that "all that should matter" is entertainment is not a view all would agree with
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All do not have to agree with me.

A large enough % who are spending resources
(time - which can never be reclaimed, and money -
whose loss varies from person to person) , appear to.
 
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