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The way forward for THFC ??

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  1. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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    Appoint enough Portuguese managers and one has to be decent eventually
     
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  2. The RDBD

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    aka the 'million Mourinhos' theory.
     
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    Any takers to replace Conte?
     
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  5. BrunelGunner

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    Saw this coming from a mile off tbf.
    Would you take Nagelsmann to replace Conte?
     
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    I don't know. He only won 71% of his games with Bayern. Useless ****.
     
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  7. Citizen Kane.

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    I think the majority of posters on here were very much in favour of him as manager once it became clear that unsurprisingly Mourinho wasn't working. We may well have nabbed him too, but needlessly delayed a few months in sacking the Special Once and by then, Nagelsmann had a verbal agreement with Bayern.

    I'd be open to him joining, certainly more so than I was about Tuchel.
     
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  8. The Huddlefro

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    The original miss on Nagelsmann was because of a domino effect, IIRC. Germany took Hansi Flick from Bayern, so Bayern nabbed Nagelsmann.

    I think he’s an excellent coach. Identifies players well, plays good, modern football. One criticism I’ve heard of him is that he’s been a bit of a tactical tinkerer at Bayern, similar to Potter at Chelsea. I think it’s fine to be more reactive when you’re not at one of the biggest clubs, because the quality gap of player means you need to be, but top clubs and players need to see dominant football that imposes on the opposition. I’ve not watched much German football though so I don’t know if that’s an accurate criticism.

    I’d be very excited if we got him though.
     
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  9. Citizen Kane.

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    If he can convince Bayern to swap Alphonso Davies for Ryan Sessegnon, I'll carry him here myself on a bed of silk and rose petals.
     
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  10. The RDBD

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    < not statistically significant ;) >
     
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  11. KingHotspur

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    100%
     
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  12. Roo

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    There’s no doubt that Tuchel is a good coach, but the thought of another ex Chelsea manager walking through the door after previous failed experiments didn’t fill me with hope. I’d have taken Poch back all day long to prevent another clown show.
    But if Nagelsmann is potentially in the mix, we have to be exploring that. I’d be very surprised if we end up with him though. Been a supporter of this club for long enough! <laugh>
    It’s more likely Chelsea get wind of the news, sack potter, hire Nagelsmann, and we end up with potter.
     
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  13. Billy The Spur

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    Top managers want to manage football clubs with a realistic opportunity to fight for top prizes, not entertainment and property corporations whose sole ambition is to finish 4th to pay shareholder bonuses. The only reason top managers come to Spurs is because Levy is prepared to pay them a staggering salary, otherwise they will give Spurs a swerve. ENIC will never change their approach, they are on permanent rinse and repeat, a revolving door of footballing incompetence that starts and stops with Levy.
     
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  14. PowerSpurs

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    Again you are factually wrong. I think we've only ever appointed three managers who have won the English League before joining us. George Graham, Mourinho and Conte. Apart from possibly Venables, I can't think of any elite manager who was prepared to join Spurs prior to ENIC.
     
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  15. Spurf

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    As far as I can see, the only reason to pick a famous manager is to attract top players. A football manager needs to have an insight into the professional game but also the ability to manage people, rich people. Knowledge of tactics is very important in the modern game because all top clubs buy into it and tactics have almost become a fashion item. So instead of concentrating on bringing in the famous manager let's bring in a famous Director of football and then we can employ an up and coming coach with the right skills. This also has the advantage of removing the ego factor that we have seen with Conti and to a lesser extent with Mourinho.

    And yes, by all means go on holiday to Portugal, drink the wine but do not employ anymore killjoy Portuguese coaches or managers or DOF's. let's give the Latin guys a rest for now and look to Northern and Eastern Europe and possibly even the UK.
     
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    I don't care where the manager is from, as long as they play some entertaining football.
    A Portuguese coach would be fine if they fit that parameter and were good enough.
    I'm not sure any of the current ones tick both boxes, but I'm not that familiar with the league.

    The structure over there probably doesn't help, as it's dominated by their Big 3.
    Porto, Sporting and Benfica are miles ahead of everyone, then there's Braga in between them.
    In the last 10 years they've finished 4th 7 times, 3rd, 5th and 9th.
    They're basically struggling to overcome a resource hump, much like we are.
     
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  17. KingHotspur

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    Agree.

    Not all Portuguese managers are the same and not all their teams play the same way either so to dismiss someone purely on their nationality is wrong.
     
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  18. Spurf

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    There is a clear difference in style of play between nations. If you can a find Portuguese/Spaniard/Italian who wants to play football like a Dutchman/German/Cech then fine but it just complicates an already difficult decision.
     
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  19. humanbeingincroydon

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    This is the conundrum with Villas-Boas: his Porto team played some pretty good, free-flowing football - which probably isn't a surprise given they had Joao Moutinho, James Rodriguez, Radmael Falcao and Fredy Guarin in their squad - but when he came to England he always went safety first

    It could be (and yes, that word is doing some serious legwork) that he worked at Porto because their scouting system was so good at identifying components that would make his system work and identify those components 2-3 years before scouts in the rest of Europe cottoned on, which wouldn't work at Chelsea as they were a couple of notches higher so needed more complete players, while for us we were a notch above Porto but our scouting system was not on the same level as Porto's
     
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  20. littleDinosaurLuke

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    Nagelsmann is a risk at this stage in his career. He’s fairly inexperienced still at 35 and hasn’t managed outside Germany. He had no playing career (due to injury) and went down the coaching route at an early age. He did well at Leipzig and Bayern Munich - but there are certain advantages at each of those clubs he won’t have at Spurs in the PL.

    However, he’d be a better choice than most to work with the players already there and organise them as a team - certainly better than Conte or Mourinho, who need an open cheque book. Is a manager, who will be content to work with a DoF who controls transfer policy and decisions, whilst he coaches the players provided?
     
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