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Howdentiger2 said:
Wages mostly, but it's nothing concrete. I know we all want success again, but it shouldn't be at the risk of the club. Take a look at Derby, Wigan, Bolton, Leeds and others over the years.

The Allams where terrible for us as a club, but at least we where never at any real financial risk
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We need to be attracting near 18,000 gates, and not on £2 a ticket, every home game, to keep our heads above water next season and to bring players in which means a bigger wage bill across the board.
We have a couple of players who could be auctioned off to pay for that, but without them, the chances of attracting 18,000 and more every home game and challenging for promotion are remote.
For me, we don't need wholesale changes, a forward obviously, maybe a couple of squad players, probably another keeper if Baxter goes, although I wouldn't be too alarmed if Harvey Cartwright stepped up. More importantly for me is the need to build up the regular fanbase, increase the number of season ticket holders and on the back of that build up the clubs revenue streams. Then we have something to build on.
I'd take a solid mid table Championship club with the occasional decent cup run supported by a regular hardcore of 18,000 against a yo-yo boom and bust club mounting up massive debts for the next chancer to come along and add too.
 
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Echo what others have said, it is impossible to say at this stage . Who would have thought when Deano secured survival at Cardiff that a year later we would be preparing for Wembley . It all depends on the signings .I don’t get people saying should aim for top ten but top six out the question. . There is literally **** all between the sides in the top 6 to sides in the top 10 , a lot off this league is momentum and timing , if you can push yourself up into mid table then who knows . Alternatively recruitment could be a disaster and we could be **** …I would just like to see some more goals scored at home and then naturally results and league positions will improve
 
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Howdentiger2 said:
Wages mostly, but it's nothing concrete. I know we all want success again, but it shouldn't be at the risk of the club. Take a look at Derby, Wigan, Bolton, Leeds and others over the years.

The Allams where terrible for us as a club, but at least we where never at any real financial risk
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I get the sentiment of the point, but we were at very real risk of a continuing fall down the divisions and an ongoing decline. At some point that would inevitably have brought serious financial ramifications. The MKM, SMC and club would have been unsustainable.
 
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Gone For A Walk said:
I get the sentiment of the point, but we were at very real risk of a continuing fall down the divisions and an ongoing decline. At some point that would inevitably have brought serious financial ramifications. The MKM, SMC and club would have been unsustainable.
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That’s why they put money into the side last season to stop us falling further adrift.
 
Urika Peece. said:
We need to be attracting near 18,000 gates, and not on £2 a ticket, every home game, to keep our heads above water next season and to bring players in which means a bigger wage bill across the board.
We have a couple of players who could be auctioned off to pay for that, but without them, the chances of attracting 18,000 and more every home game and challenging for promotion are remote.
For me, we don't need wholesale changes, a forward obviously, maybe a couple of squad players, probably another keeper if Baxter goes, although I wouldn't be too alarmed if Harvey Cartwright stepped up. More importantly for me is the need to build up the regular fanbase, increase the number of season ticket holders and on the back of that build up the clubs revenue streams. Then we have something to build on.
I'd take a solid mid table Championship club with the occasional decent cup run supported by a regular hardcore of 18,000 against a yo-yo boom and bust club mounting up massive debts for the next chancer to come along and add too.
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Spot on, fans need to be back and paying a fair amount, keep the membership at the same price ( nobody can honestly claim it's not a very fair price ) but drop the individual match prices to £22/3.

I'd personally like to see us move away from brining in so many loan players, tie down players like Greaves to proper deals and spend wisely on players at the top end of the pitch.

Summer will be very interesting as I think we'll both agree
 
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Gone For A Walk said:
I get the sentiment of the point, but we were at very real risk of a continuing fall down the divisions and an ongoing decline. At some point that would inevitably have brought serious financial ramifications. The MKM, SMC and club would have been unsustainable.
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Potentially, or we would have just bumbled around bottom of the championship/top of league 1, making money from players coming through the academy. Crowds would have pretty much stayed at the level they where as I think the ones still going where the ones who'd always go. The club would be ran at break even by the allams.

It wouldn't have been exciting and we wouldn't ever be anything more then what we had already become under the Allams, but we'd never be in danger financially. Partly due to how the clubs debt was set up ( the only people to lose out would be the allams )

Anyway it's all just opinions now as they are gone. Let's just hope we aren't left in a Derby position one day.
 
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Howdentiger2 said:
Potentially, or we would have just bumbled around bottom of the championship/top of league 1, making money from players coming through the academy. Crowds would have pretty much stayed at the level they where as I think the ones still going where the ones who'd always go. The club would be ran at break even by the allams.

It wouldn't have been exciting and we wouldn't ever be anything more then what we had already become under the Allams, but we'd never be in danger financially. Partly due to how the clubs debt was set up ( the only people to lose out would be the allams )

Anyway it's all just opinions now as they are gone. Let's just hope we aren't left in a Derby position one day.
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Or Scunthorpe/Grimsby.
 
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Howdentiger2 said:
Potentially, or we would have just bumbled around bottom of the championship/top of league 1, making money from players coming through the academy. Crowds would have pretty much stayed at the level they where as I think the ones still going where the ones who'd always go. The club would be ran at break even by the allams.

It wouldn't have been exciting and we wouldn't ever be anything more then what we had already become under the Allams, but we'd never be in danger financially. Partly due to how the clubs debt was set up ( the only people to lose out would be the allams )

Anyway it's all just opinions now as they are gone. Let's just hope we aren't left in a Derby position one day.
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We weren't breaking even though, we were losing money in real terms all the time. It isn't just opinions, the financial performance is all documented.

But let me guess, I'm just bitter, blinkered, blinded by hate, etc while you're much more enlightened, 'can see both sides of it', etc.
 
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PLT said:
We weren't breaking even though, we were losing money in real terms all the time. It isn't just opinions, the financial performance is all documented.

But let me guess, I'm just bitter, blinkered, blinded by hate, etc while you're much more enlightened, 'can see both sides of it', etc.
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No idea where that last paragraph has come from.... But ok
 
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Howdentiger2 said:
Potentially, or we would have just bumbled around bottom of the championship/top of league 1, making money from players coming through the academy. Crowds would have pretty much stayed at the level they where as I think the ones still going where the ones who'd always go. The club would be ran at break even by the allams.

It wouldn't have been exciting and we wouldn't ever be anything more then what we had already become under the Allams, but we'd never be in danger financially. Partly due to how the clubs debt was set up ( the only people to lose out would be the allams )

Anyway it's all just opinions now as they are gone. Let's just hope we aren't left in a Derby position one day.
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We need to raise turnover significantly and while crowds help to an extent, but we need to do other things to compete. I'd be looking to grow revenue to around £40m but that's a really tough ask. While there's no a magic wand so it won't happen all of a sudden but we need it to be growing. When Acun came through the door, this was an area I thought he'd be able to help massively with as he's significantly grown our profile already in Turkey.
 
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Shark Sports said:
We need to raise turnover significantly and while crowds help to an extent, but we need to do other things to compete. I'd be looking to grow revenue to around £40m but that's a really tough ask. While there's no a magic wand so it won't happen all of a sudden but we need it to be growing. When Acun came through the door, this was an area I thought he'd be able to help massively with as he's significantly grown our profile already in Turkey.
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Agree, our income just has to head north, how we do that before the success comes is the million dollar question
 
Howdentiger2 said:
Spot on, fans need to be back and paying a fair amount, keep the membership at the same price ( nobody can honestly claim it's not a very fair price ) but drop the individual match prices to £22/3.

I'd personally like to see us move away from brining in so many loan players, tie down players like Greaves to proper deals and spend wisely on players at the top end of the pitch.

Summer will be very interesting as I think we'll both agree
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Personally I think you've hit the nail on the head with the match day pricing. The membership is fantastic value if you can make every match, but something realistic needs to be done to entice non members. £22 seems pretty fair
 
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west stand stiffs said:
Personally I think you've hit the nail on the head with the match day pricing. The membership is fantastic value if you can make every match, but something realistic needs to be done to entice non members. £22 seems pretty fair
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£22 is fair for those who don't want to commit. We can't just keep giving it away for £2 etc. If fans want the new regime to commit then our fans should do the same and get to the games.
 
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west stand stiffs said:
Personally I think you've hit the nail on the head with the match day pricing. The membership is fantastic value if you can make every match, but something realistic needs to be done to entice non members. £22 seems pretty fair
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£20 sounds better, but does it then undercut membership costs?
 
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