Match Day Thread WBA v Hull City

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Experienced centre backs like Jagielka. And even Davis are still way out of City’s pay levels anyone we were allowed to afford would be in the same or lower division , and as I’ve said you don’t uproot for about the same money - kids settled in school etc . This is where Mcann has been shafted . His decision to buy numerous midfielders is weird or incompetence. Godden who scored for Cov was at Scunny , Ebbsfleet etc !!! Yet we are stuck with two players up front who don’t close down always 10. Yds short . And are incapable of keeping the ball . I’d put Longman in because he’s better than both and one of the youngsters who’s strong enough plus change the formation . Actually Emmanuel could do Wilks job and he would keep the ball . Where’s Williams?

If Derby can afford them we could.
 
Experienced centre backs like Jagielka. And even Davis are still way out of City’s pay levels anyone we were allowed to afford would be in the same or lower division , and as I’ve said you don’t uproot for about the same money - kids settled in school etc . This is where Mcann has been shafted . His decision to buy numerous midfielders is weird or incompetence. Godden who scored for Cov was at Scunny , Ebbsfleet etc !!! Yet we are stuck with two players up front who don’t close down always 10. Yds short . And are incapable of keeping the ball . I’d put Longman in because he’s better than both and one of the youngsters who’s strong enough plus change the formation . Actually Emmanuel could do Wilks job and he would keep the ball . Where’s Williams?

I can't imagine Jagielka is on much at Derby as he was brought in when they didn't have enough players. However, that is why I said the club, not McCann in particular has not helped Greaves development.

What I would say, though, is that it's going forward that is the biggest problem. Defensively, yes we make mistakes, but that is what young defenders can do, but we have lost a lot of games 1-0, and at this level you can concede the odd goal, but keeping it to one we should be scoring at least a goal or two in some games, which would either get us a point or 3 if we get more than one.
 
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They signed him on money they didn’t have , we have money but the Allams kept it from Mcann

They signed Jagielka under a strict salary cap imposed as a result of their embargo, he's not on big money.

At no point in the summer did we attempt to sign an experienced centre back, that wasn't down to money, it was down to some idiots thinking we should sign half a dozen midfielders instead.
 
They signed Jagielka under a strict salary cap imposed as a result of their embargo, he's not on big money.

At no point in the summer did we attempt to sign an experienced centre back, that wasn't down to money, it was down to some idiots thinking we should sign half a dozen midfielders instead.
I would still bet he’s on twice most of ours however low , he’s close to Sheffield his hometown- again a reason for not coming here if ever asked?
 
I can’t fault the effort last night.
No, but I think you could say the same for all of the games this season. Grant has just said that we'll pick up points if we keep playing like that, but a points tally of less than double-figures suggests otherwise.
 
Curtis Davies would have signed for us. It was a huge mistake from Grant not getting an experienced centre half in.
Too true.....Michael Dawson retired too early. If not playing he could pass on his experience. Let's be fair donkey defending is a sure way to L1. Trying to play out from the back is an accident waiting to happen.

Memo to Terry...
Man City we ain't.
 
Have you read the Baggies managers after match comments ? We parked the bus , faked injuries wasted time and wanted the ball out - what an absolute tossed excusing his own inadequacies - they all do this don’t they

He's under massive pressure at the moment and it was showing last night.
 
I can't imagine Jagielka is on much at Derby as he was brought in when they didn't have enough players. However, that is why I said the club, not McCann in particular has not helped Greaves development.

What I would say, though, is that it's going forward that is the biggest problem. Defensively, yes we make mistakes, but that is what young defenders can do, but we have lost a lot of games 1-0, and at this level you can concede the odd goal, but keeping it to one we should be scoring at least a goal or two in some games, which would either get us a point or 3 if we get more than one.

Whilst it's true that our defensive numbers aren't as bad as our goalscoring numbers, I think part of the reason our goalscoring numbers are so low is that we're always behind. We concede early most games and then chase the game for the rest of it. When we're chasing the opposition have something to defend and they do that. I think if we could stay in games longer, stop falling behind early on all the time, we might find there are more gaps later on as the game opens up.
 
Whilst it's true that our defensive numbers aren't as bad as our goalscoring numbers, I think part of the reason our goalscoring numbers are so low is that we're always behind. We concede early most games and then chase the game for the rest of it. When we're chasing the opposition have something to defend and they do that. I think if we could stay in games longer, stop falling behind early on all the time, we might find there are more gaps later on as the game opens up.

As I said ideally we should have had an experienced centre back in to play alongside Greaves, then we may have fared better defensive wise. However, the defence is constantly under pressure as we just don't dominate the midfield, we are overrun there, so this 3 in midfield at this level just doesn't work.
 
looks like he's changed his tactics for interviews - I thought he came across quite well and was well worth the listen - pity he didn't speak like that all along rather than come across as prickly and stubborn - the guy really doesn't help himself - at least you can understand better what he's trying to do - whether you agree with him or not is a different matter of course
 
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while it was one of the "better" defeats , would probably expect defeat there under most circumstances, you just cant ignore another big fat zero added to the goals scored column. i said it the other day but i would rather have watched us lose 4-2 or 6-3 last night.
whole point of football is the joy of celebrating a goal ffs
 
Assem Allam won't sack him as that involves paying him off & the new owner is not yet the new owner so he's stuck unable to do anything

Accepting Allam can't do anything is fundamentally incorrect, he can and indeed should get rid of McCann now! Put Pennock in temporary charge who's already on the payroll on an interim basis. Terrys record at this level is shocking and he's taking us down.

Some may have some sympathy for Terry, but he knew the constraints and accepted the gig.
 
I didn't think they looked anything special last night.

That could be down to how well we played ,with a few tweeks and a change up front possibly T Smith and longman given a few games to establish themselves there's a lot of doom and gloom merchants ready to bash the team but I've watched the last 3 second half's and it's not all been terrible we are lacking a threat up front.
 
Yep I think this is spot on. I'm surprised how few people notice how poor his discipline is in terms of holding his position. Loves to storm out towards the man with the ball, which people maybe like because it looks aggressive and on the front-foot, but it leaves gaps behind him. I think your summary there makes him sound like another Hector or Tomori in terms of pointless loans that we won't be signing, which is probably about right.
He does actually reminds me of Harry especially when he first came to us. When he learns when it is ok to go or stick, he will be a good player, but he won't be playing for City then. It's not what we needed. Curtis Davies would have been a better shout