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Match Day Thread Hull City v Coventry

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by Chazz Rheinhold, Oct 29, 2021.

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  1. UMC

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    I doubt he will get a job again in league 1. Best squad in the league most questioned his tactics and thought him lucky, he has not endeared himself to supporters and revenue for club equals bums on seats.
     
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  2. UMC

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    Other managers walked away in his position. Grant knows his record is non existent in the championship and he flukes last year.
     
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  3. UMC

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    I like most people on here then are deluded. We see the same mistakes week after week. Let us all know why it is not down to the coaching team who were both defenders.
     
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  4. dennisboothstash

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    Interestingly (maybe) the Football Supporters Association did a survey of all clubs in 2015 and posted the responses. You will immediately spot some inconsistencies but nevertheless these are City’s responses below. Also Forest fan was chucked out in 2018 for same thing (well not a Turkey flag but you know what I mean) and it doesn’t seem likely his was more than 3m sq? (For example 6ft x 5ft)
    Fire certificates seem common on flags made specifically for football, but I don’t think there’s a law that sets out what is needed, probably just a similar thing at clubs signed off by SAG?

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/football-fan-banned-fa-cup-11936109



    1. Do you allow banners in the home & away ends?
    2. At what size banner do you insist on a fire safety certificate? Are banners on poles allowed?
    3. If a fan plans to bring a banner into your ground what protocol should they follow?
    4. Does your club ban certain banners/messages? If so please clarify what falls into that category.
    5. Anything else you’d like to add?
    Hull City

    1. If there is available spaces to place them yes.
    2. Any banner of 3m square, no banners are allowed on poles.
    3. They should contact the club for permission 48 hours prior to the fixture.
    4. Any banner displaying derogatory content will not be allowed into the stadium.
    5. Any person wishing to display a banner will be challenged at the turnstiles and be asked to show the content of what is to be displayed. Banners must be fire certified, and the certificate must be brought along with the banner.
     
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  5. DMD

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    'the certificate must be brought along with the banner.'

    Do the club leave the certificate with flags they dish out for free or put on seats?

    It's bollocks. People have bigger coats than those flags are.
     
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  6. UMC

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    Explain to us all how the owners have insisted the squad do not defend basic set pieces not mark their men by resorting to shirt pulling like a Sunday pub team side
     
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  7. Off The Line

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    That doesn't sound like the kind of thing you'd actually agree with. Maybe you just project your low morals onto others.
     
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  8. PLT

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    McCann was a ball-playing midfielder, don't know why people on here keep saying he was a defender.
     
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  9. dennisboothstash

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    They only need them for ones more than 3m sq , according to…themselves!
     
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  10. GLP

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    So, we can conclude it was 4-3-3 in the first half.
     
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  11. askewshair

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    No, clearly 442
    Emmanuel eventually pushing up to make almost 352.
    Definitely not 433 first half
     
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  12. GLP

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    At no time in that first half was there 2 central strikers. There may have been wingers drifting in, but it was clearly KLP - Eaves - Moncur. Eaves was so isolated he could have had his own post code.
     
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    Eaves/KLP remained up front when defending first half
     
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  14. GLP

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    With Moncur on the right. Not doing much granted.
     
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    Moncur was ****ing atrocious.
     
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  16. ThunderCityAFC

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    Here's an Idea. Take a ****ing English flag to an English football match that is being contested between two English football teams, Champ.
     
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  17. Newlandcasual2

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    No news of the fan who fell down at the end of the game coming out of South stand, didn't look to good ?

    Petty throwing the young lad out with the flag but one thing Hull Cuty excell in is alienting fans and people wonder why our support is dwindling.
     
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  18. Real ale tiger

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    **** me is there any need to get so low.
    Think about what you are saying please
     
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  19. addistiger

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    What a poor displa
    For all the talk on here
    With only a couple of things on your list of mitigating factors different, your list is almost the same as the ones used by McCann season before last.
    So many of the kinds of comments on here also echo that season, with similar comments on coaching, players and systems. mostly negative.
    If I may be so bold as to offer some points for debate:
    Systems; it's not about systems. It's about fluidity, good organisation and being well drilled. Our Div. 3 Championship side played 2, 3, 5, as did most sides at that time. But it was a fluid system where players knew their roles in both attack and defence. How many on here have commented on here about our defence at corners - it's like watching American football with our players looking to block off forwards and not looking at the ball. Are they coached to do this? All it does is allow attackers to either drag defenders out of position or out muscle. I've never been a great player or had coaching but it was all about watching the ball. At a corner there is an instinct at play as you see how the taker is shaping up and moves, then strikes the ball - anticipation, the defender can then stand his ground or move, attacking players also watched of course but maybe more through peripheral vision.
    Any system can work well with a well drilled defence and holding midfielder who may drop into defence - especially with wing-backs where one going forward can still easily be a back 4. 5 midfielders/strikers can then be more creative and fluid in terms of knowing each others strengths, weaknesses and preferences.
    Players; quality? There's much in football history, and even in recent times, that shows teams with mediocre or 'lower league' players, maybe with a touch of youth and creativity, can do very well. One can argue that we have that. I would suggest though that most examples of successful teams of that description that anyone here could suggest, had a well drilled defence. That doesn't mean playing defensively, but defence-mindedly.
    Whilst players may not always be the brightest of sparks I'm sure they know when they don'y know what they're doing - and don't seem to know their, or each others, roles. This is where confidence drops. Players, nay people, need drilling. Drill breeds confidence.
    When I say drill I speak as a former member of the military and a teacher - I know the importance of drill, and of course that it takes different forms with different people in different environments - but it requires clear leadership and structure.

    If I may digress somewhat with an amusing anecdote, though not entirely a digression. When doing my training in the army during drill, I was right marker (for those who don't know that meas the whole squad takes their positioning from you, both when at attention and on the march. When a marching squad turns there is a second or two of adjustment - to the right marker). My weakness was being left-handed (again for those who don't know many/most of us lefties naturally think our left is the right had - and we have to think carefully). One day on the command of right turn, I turned left and marched smartly away from the rest of the squad, upon realisation, an embarrassed scuttle back to assume my position ensued. Yes, the stuff of comedy film I know. Drill continued. As we marched off the parade ground I heard the sound of the studded, bulled boots of the drill corporal marching to my side. As we marched stiffly, me more than most as I tried to stifle any sense of a tremble, he leant over and whispered in my ear, '"Grant, a ****load of whatever levels but f*** all sense."

    It was not sense I lacked but concentration. Doesn't matter what the discipline; dance, music, theatre (I'm an actor too), marching, formation flying or swimming - anything we do as a group needs structure and a leader to direct - even enforce it. Boy did I concentrate more after the above humiliation.
    A good leader though has to know his own, and his team's strengths and limitations, and act accordingly.

    So too in footy. No difference. Sometimes we have to play out of position but if we 'know the drill' mistakes can be kept to a minimum. We've all seen players play out of position but worked hard, concentrated (cos they're left-handed in a right-handed world), were well drilled and did ok, even well.

    Drill breeds confidence, and creativity follows!

    Coaching. I think it's clear from the above what I think about coaching and perhaps McCann.
    I've come off stage when the general comment amongst us was, "J/G......... we were ****e tonight." With the retort, "Yeah but they loved it!"
    It concerns me that McCann says it's the performance that matters, no it's the result. And the audience determines the result - even if the result is the fans standing and applauding the team off after a heroic defeat.
    BUT, even if the audience applauded and cheered our ****e, we knew we had to be better otherwise the next night's audience may not be so easily fooled. So we upped our game.
    Boro game a case in point. We were ****e often and lucky - but got the result.
    It also concerns be that McCann relies a lot on data. That speaks to me of someone mediocre with hardly a creative spark in their soul. The world of education and I dare say numerous other sectors these days is full of mediocre leaders who do not understand data, or how to use it, but come to reply on it to cover their mediocrity.
    This stifles fluidity, creativity and even common sense.
    Out beautiful game is a creative art, and we as an audience love those who push the boundaries - but the boundaries can only be pushed when based on a solid structure. And only then can errors be corrected and limited.
    Some actors are known to not learn their lines and ad lib on stage but there has to be those who know their, and the other actor's lines to bring them back to where they should be - the structure. Even with what may be called today 'free-styling' such as in jazz, the musician or vocalist goes off on their own but the drummer brings them back to the beat then they re-find the melody.

    If I may, another anecdote. Once when performing in a 3 act epic play with a big cast, an actor said a line which took us from Act 2 back to Act 1, granted it was a very similar line, but the only way to get back on track was to repeat the whole of Act 1, then skip parts of Act 2. On top of that the whole set, which was huge, collapsed forward onto the stage during a battle scene, fortunately just before the interval. Despite the chaotic calamities we got the longest standing ovation. did the audience know? Who knows but it was a triumph from our perspective - we felt it, the audience felt it, what a night.

    But the point is, the structure, and good direction allowed us to improvise - be creative.

    I rest my case - I think. Sorry about the length. I bid ye goodnight and blessings to those who fell asleep attempting to read read it. A thousand blessings to those who do read it.

    I have to add as an edit that in mitigation for this post I have had 3 stiff whiskeys and a spliff in self-condolence after today's shamples!
    Whoops, SHAMBLES!
     
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  20. Mckechnie Orange

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    K'ninel mate.

    Calm down. Quite some splurge there.
     
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