Off Topic NHS pay rise
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I work on the FRONT LINE in the Private Sector and would bite Hancock’s hand aff for a 1% rise.
I also work weekends for normal time.
I know folk (some nurses too) who work for the NHS, and IMHO they are well paid.
Yes they do a fantastic job, and they saved my life 3 years ago. I would love to give them the 12.5% they want, BUT can the country afford it, then have all other workers wanting the same?
Wake up and smell the coffee folks!!
Bart
The NHS has been starved of funds for years, there are too few staff and too few hospitals. Every winter irregardless of pandemic the hospitals are overrun.
Of all the larger western democracies we spend the least as a percentage of GDP on health, the tories con us into thinking we fund the NHS adequately, and like now pretend they pretend we cannot to afford to pay staff fairly.
Social care for the elderly is and has been a disgrace for years and nothing has been done. Just politicians implementing austerity on it.
It is the least we can do as a country is to resource our hospitals and social care well. The fact that we do not is appalling.
Of all the larger western democracies we spend the least as a percentage of GDP on health, the tories con us into thinking we fund the NHS adequately, and like now pretend they pretend we cannot to afford to pay staff fairly.
Social care for the elderly is and has been a disgrace for years and nothing has been done. Just politicians implementing austerity on it.
It is the least we can do as a country is to resource our hospitals and social care well. The fact that we do not is appalling.
personally think the man borders on communism....everyone entitled to their opinion & thats mine, labour is ment to represent the working man & to me he does not.
he was even suckered in by the mags at the durham miners galler about how sòmething needing doing about ashleys ownership of them
Agree we should have locked down entry to this country a lot better, we live on an island, should have been lot easier than rest of europe, hub airports are massive problem & trying to keep the country going closing fully is difficult. the massive difference between us & new Zealand is there not a country bussiness wise like us, no hub airports & your next door neighbour lives 2 miles away in cases. dont think that can be a realistic country of comparison, although your entitled to your opinion also
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That simpleton couldn’t flush anti-Semitism out of the Labour Party never mind a full blown killer virus from a country.
Can the country afford to give nurses a 1% pay rise??? They’ve spent Billions on untendered contracts given to Tory donors and cronies on failed track and trace, PPE etc. but can’t give nurses a fair pay rise????
Ahhh the old anti-semitism chestnut......the antisemitism that ran rife through the Labour Party when JC was leader.......the antisemitism of 0.06% of a 570,000 membership that now seems to have miraculously disappeared because it’s never mentioned in the media now
Sorry chief but Corbyn is not Ardern and the UK is not New Zealand.
He might have done better than Boris. I would hope most people would given the early handling was a ****ing disaster.
But comparing the UK and New Zealand is comparing apples and dildos.
yes they are different in terms of population, GDP but it’s an example of how a democratic socialist government with the welfare of its citizens at heart first and foremost were much better at dealing with the pandemic by pursuing a Zero Covid policy from the start
This is the bigger problem....an absolute mess & nightmare to sort put, money wasted left right & centre, historic issues being paid for from privatizing areas i.e. the trains ...then keeping the crap bit like rail maintainence....then when a private company fails its contract taking it back at a massive cost.
This country is going to take some sorting out & the biggest issue is getting people at the top who wont manipulate the situation to suit them & side kick mates through dodgy contracts etc
Bit like Flu has miraculously disappeared because of COVID. We all know it hasn’t.
I won't argue that the UKs strategy was baffling at best and no existent at worst.
I won't argue against the fact that Bozo should have done far better. I very much think he should have.
I just think Europe was ****ed given it's population density and interconnectedness. More could have been done, for sure, but Corbyn couldn't have fixed that.
We’re not discussing flu though, we’re discussing antisemitism in the Labour Party, an issue that has been weaponised by the media and by some within the party as a means to smear an individual who was a threat to the establishment. It’s strange how cases of antisemitism were higher when Labour had a leader of the party who was actually Jewish but we never heard about it then. It’s almost as if they had an agenda!....
It was a thread about NHS pay rise, which I think they deserve massively. Corbyn who you brought into it for some bizarre reason is history & rightly so.
We’re not discussing flu though, we’re discussing antisemitism in the Labour Party, an issue that has been weaponised by the media and by some within the party as a means to smear an individual who was a threat to the establishment. It’s strange how cases of antisemitism were higher when Labour had a leader of the party who was actually Jewish but we never heard about it then. It’s almost as if they had an agenda!....
The movement of people through Europe and the U.K. obviously are significantly higher than New Zealand but they are an island nation like ourselves and screening procedures coming into the U.K. were non existent when all this blew up. Ultimately this is an argument that can’t be settled as it’s a matter of what if’s, buts and maybes but I fail to see how our response could have been any worse than what we have experienced by our inept Government over the last 12 months
Eh?? Read the posts back, I never brought Corbyn into it, I replied to a post where someone had mentioned how our response to the pandemic would have been worse under Corbyn which I disagreed with......then you went and brought antisemitism into it????
While it would be nice to pay the Medical Workers more, along with everyboy else who has/is contributing to the Country's recovery, we do have to ask just where the money is to come from.
Since Government only spends money, it doesn't earn it, the answer is that ultimately it comes from us, The Public.
It may be VAT or Corporation Tax, Import Duties or direct taxes, but all these things come, directly or indirectly, from us.
And while we are so used to Politicians Standing in front of TV Camera explaining just why more should be spent on all sorts of projects, particularly opposition polititions, (whichever Party is in opposition), these is a great shortage of experts who can tell us where to get the money from.
So perhaps those who want to pay more to State employee's might like to adress this point, bearing in mind please that huge numbers of the populastion have been unable to work for almost a year and have been living off, borrowed public money which also has to be repaid.
I have no personal objection to paying more taxes but I'm one of the lucky ones, retired on a pension who's income has not been effected.
I suspect that if I'd been younger, with a family and a mortgage and employed in the Retail or Hospitalty sectors, with an increasing credit card debt, then I might just feel differently.
Since Government only spends money, it doesn't earn it, the answer is that ultimately it comes from us, The Public.
It may be VAT or Corporation Tax, Import Duties or direct taxes, but all these things come, directly or indirectly, from us.
And while we are so used to Politicians Standing in front of TV Camera explaining just why more should be spent on all sorts of projects, particularly opposition polititions, (whichever Party is in opposition), these is a great shortage of experts who can tell us where to get the money from.
So perhaps those who want to pay more to State employee's might like to adress this point, bearing in mind please that huge numbers of the populastion have been unable to work for almost a year and have been living off, borrowed public money which also has to be repaid.
I have no personal objection to paying more taxes but I'm one of the lucky ones, retired on a pension who's income has not been effected.
I suspect that if I'd been younger, with a family and a mortgage and employed in the Retail or Hospitalty sectors, with an increasing credit card debt, then I might just feel differently.
He's brought into any debate where anyone dares to venture the slightest criticism on the government ...
... it's the political equivalent of 'Nur nur ne nur nur.'
I think the mistake that a lot people make when comparing the U.K. economy, budget, borrowing money etc is that they compare it to running a household budget - there’s only so much money to go round and anything borrowed has to be paid back. In reality it doesn’t work like that The U.K. is a sovereign nation, we can literally print our own money. We borrow billions from the Bank of England that has to be paid back but the U.K. government owns the Bank of England. We would literally be borrowing from ourselves. The decision not to give NHS staff a larger pay rise is not because as a country we cannot afford it...it’s a political choice
Can you explain why for instance those two bastions of socialism Switzerland and Germany spend a higher proportion of GDP on health spend ie higher per capita than the UK. Or do you just accept the Tory fake news that the funding of the NHS is right...perhaps it just needs another reorganisation or more privatisation ?
We need more hospitals and more staff and they should be rewarded fairly.