Off Topic NHS pay rise

[Nig]

I work on the FRONT LINE in the Private Sector and would bite Hancock’s hand aff for a 1% rise.

I also work weekends for normal time.

I know folk (some nurses too) who work for the NHS, and IMHO they are well paid.

Yes they do a fantastic job, and they saved my life 3 years ago. I would love to give them the 12.5% they want, BUT can the country afford it, then have all other workers wanting the same?

Wake up and smell the coffee folks!!

Bart

Well paid ?
My mrs is an auxiliary nurse.
Its a low band of probably around £9 an hour,
For that she works 12.5 hour shifts, on her feet all day often with very little breaks. They get more and more duties loaded on them from above scaled jobs (well it saves money doesn't it)
The stress of patients dying etc. The other day a dementia patient kicked off smashing windows etc and they are regularly attacked and physically abused.

She's 58 soon and with underlying health issues that see others with less, say they cannot work and claim disability.
She's hoping for an easier job in phlebotomy or assistant practitioner.
She was a trained pharmacy technician and should of gone back to that as this is really taking it's toll on her now.

Meanwhile before all this pandemic Boris and his cronies whooped and cheered when a pay rise for NHS was voted out.
During the pandemic they were all talk of how the NHS are fantastic and how they need to be funded and cherished in future.
Here we are this year seeing them get kicked in the teeth before it's even gone away.


It makes me laugh, well you have to I suppose but they gave all nurses a badge for their struggles last year. A really cheap crappy thing if they wanted it they had to pay £1 each ffs.


I'm sure @Smiler will have a say on this thread if he hasn't already

 

[MrRAWhite]

Can the country afford to give nurses a 1% pay rise??? They’ve spent Billions on untendered contracts given to Tory donors and cronies on failed track and trace, PPE etc. but can’t give nurses a fair pay rise????

Not forgetting Dominic Cummings getting a £40,000 a year pay rise for reduced responsibility. I would love to know what stranglehold he has got on Boris and the government?

 

[Millfield Maestro 1879]

Nhs test, tack and trace is costing 22 billion, paid to private companies ran by Conservative friends and donors. The nhs could have done the same and made a much better job of it for approximately 4 billion. Just imagine what the other 18 billion could have paid for? This is without mentioning all the PPE contracts paid to mates who don't actually make PPE. At last count I believe that was 12 billion.

Fwiw the nhs pay rise at 1% would cost 72 million.

All people that have worked hard through the pandemic deserve a pay rise and you can guarantee that if it was Tory friends and donors seeking it, they would get it and at an incredibly inflated rate

 

[master-simpson]

Ahhh the old anti-semitism chestnut......the antisemitism that ran rife through the Labour Party when JC was leader.......the antisemitism of 0.06% of a 570,000 membership that now seems to have miraculously disappeared because it’s never mentioned in the media now

Dear oh Dear!!

Listen to yourself man!!

Bart

 

[kirkyboy]

Dear oh Dear!!

Listen to yourself man!!

Bart

Your point being?

 

[Nig]

Bit like Flu has miraculously disappeared because of COVID. We all know it hasn’t.

Exactly, and what @kirkyboy says about companies making money through government on this.

I'm not denying the pandemic but it's definitely been whipped up and most rich have made more.

 

[The Professor]

It was a thread about NHS pay rise, which I think they deserve massively. Corbyn who you brought into it for some bizarre reason is history & rightly so.

It was me who mentioned corbyn at first, more so as an expansion on views related to wherecwe are

 

[Nig]

Nhs test, tack and trace is costing 22 billion, paid to private companies ran by Conservative friends and donors. The nhs could have done the same and made a much better job of it for approximately 4 billion. Just imagine what the other 18 billion could have paid for? This is without mentioning all the PPE contracts paid to mates who don't actually make PPE. At last count I believe that was 12 billion.

Fwiw the nhs pay rise at 1% would cost 72 million.

All people that have worked hard through the pandemic deserve a pay rise and you can guarantee that if it was Tory friends and donors seeking it, they would get it and at an incredibly inflated rate

Here Here

 

[Player1]

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/...rising-how-much-is-the-increase-a3796521.html

 

[The Professor]

While it would be nice to pay the Medical Workers more, along with everyboy else who has/is contributing to the Country's recovery, we do have to ask just where the money is to come from.

Since Government only spends money, it doesn't earn it, the answer is that ultimately it comes from us, The Public.
It may be VAT or Corporation Tax, Import Duties or direct taxes, but all these things come, directly or indirectly, from us.

And while we are so used to Politicians Standing in front of TV Camera explaining just why more should be spent on all sorts of projects, particularly opposition polititions, (whichever Party is in opposition), these is a great shortage of experts who can tell us where to get the money from.

So perhaps those who want to pay more to State employee's might like to adress this point, bearing in mind please that huge numbers of the populastion have been unable to work for almost a year and have been living off, borrowed public money which also has to be repaid.

I have no personal objection to paying more taxes but I'm one of the lucky ones, retired on a pension who's income has not been effected.
I suspect that if I'd been younger, with a family and a mortgage and employed in the Retail or Hospitalty sectors, with an increasing credit card debt, then I might just feel differently.

Great post marra, was where i was coming from with my initial one

....yes they deserve a big payrise...how do we pay for it...other public sector have grafted none stop...other people are or about to become unemployed...there is no single solution....unfortunately....hope to **** we get 3 points this arvo & promoted this season is an unrelated solution only part i know

 

[Nig]

It's a shame the thread has descended into labour v tory willy waving to be honest.
They're all cùnts and we are all plebs who should do as we are dam well bloody told .

 

[Reggie the Cheddar]

The idea that only NHS workers have sacrificed during this is utter farcical. People have gave away a year of their lives and lost much more. Many if not all of those would snap your hand off to be 1% better off.
Pure greed saying any rise isn't enough.
It's your job, you choose it, do it.

 

[MrRAWhite]

We’re not discussing flu though, we’re discussing antisemitism in the Labour Party, an issue that has been weaponised by the media and by some within the party as a means to smear an individual who was a threat to the establishment. It’s strange how cases of antisemitism were higher when Labour had a leader of the party who was actually Jewish but we never heard about it then. It’s almost as if they had an agenda!....

I'm not a Corbyn fan, but I'm totally with you on this. Our right wing media were shocking in making out this was a massive problem within the Labour Party whilst ignoring everything that was going on in the Tory Party.

 

[Nig]

Great post marra, was where i was coming from with my initial one

....yes they deserve a big payrise...how do we pay for it...other public sector have grafted none stop...other people are or about to become unemployed...there is no single solution....unfortunately....hope to **** we get 3 points this arvo & promoted this season is an unrelated solution only part i know

How do we pay ?

Go back and look at @MDoc99 's post

 

[LBW]

It was me who mentioned corbyn at first, more so as an expansion on views related to wherecwe are

Yes I know but he jumped straight on with the Corbyn bull. Keep the focus on pay rise for the NHS is what the thread is and should be about.

 

[Nig]

The idea that only NHS workers have sacrificed during this is utter farcical. People have gave away a year of their lives and lost much more. Many if not all of those would snap your hand off to be 1% better off.
Pure greed saying any rise isn't enough.
It's your job, you choose it, do it.

Great consolation to the families of NHS staff who died of covid, well done.
I'm sure some of our footballers will be looking for higher pay if we get promoted.
A lot of fans already shouting for them to get tied in

 

[The Professor]

Well paid ?
My mrs is an auxiliary nurse.
Its a low band of probably around £9 an hour,
For that she works 12.5 hour shifts, on her feet all day often with very little breaks. They get more and more duties loaded on them from above scaled jobs (well it saves money doesn't it)
The stress of patients dying etc. The other day a dementia patient kicked off smashing windows etc and they are regularly attacked and physically abused.

She's 58 soon and with underlying health issues that see others with less, say they cannot work and claim disability.
She's hoping for an easier job in phlebotomy or assistant practitioner.
She was a trained pharmacy technician and should of gone back to that as this is really taking it's toll on her now.

Meanwhile before all this pandemic Boris and his cronies whooped and cheered when a pay rise for NHS was voted out.
During the pandemic they were all talk of how the NHS are fantastic and how they need to be funded and cherished in future.
Here we are this year seeing them get kicked in the teeth before it's even gone away.


It makes me laugh, well you have to I suppose but they gave all nurses a badge for their struggles last year. A really cheap crappy thing if they wanted it they had to pay £1 each ffs.


I'm sure @Smiler will have a say on this thread if he hasn't already

Good post mate & part of the problem highlighted regarding % payrises, if an x monetary amount was given those at the lower end would gain more & still be x amount behind those further up, at thecsame time overall the payrise would cost the government x.

hope your wife is ok after a vert difficult year

 

[Chip]

I work on the FRONT LINE in the Private Sector and would bite Hancock’s hand aff for a 1% rise.

I also work weekends for normal time.

I know folk (some nurses too) who work for the NHS, and IMHO they are well paid.

Yes they do a fantastic job, and they saved my life 3 years ago. I would love to give them the 12.5% they want, BUT can the country afford it, then have all other workers wanting the same?

Wake up and smell the coffee folks!!

Bart

Out of interest what sector are you working in?

 

[The Professor]

How do we pay ?

Go back and look at @MDoc99 's post

Agree i posted earlier the problem initially lies with those at the top, predecessors also looking after themselves & there mates....until we get someone with proper integrity & pure ethical beliefs ultimately it wont change....not sure this person exists is the problem...they may at start of career but what they 'have' to do to rise changes them

 

[Nig]

Good post mate & part of the problem highlighted regarding % payrises, if an x monetary amount was given those at the lower end would gain more & still be x amount behind those further up, at thecsame time overall the payrise would cost the government x.

hope your wife is ok after a vert difficult year

Cheers

Like @MDoc99 says, if you look at the big picture the money is there but but it's all sound bytes for the plebs and back handers for the chummies.

I hope the mrs gets her move but she falls apart at interviews.
Just like all sectors, talking the talk beats walking the walk.