Windrush is slightly different in that it relates to Black immigrants - not born here. But I take your point about the possible effect on the black population. I agree with your comment about honour among politicians. I'm sorry to see that Boris has not yet published the Russian Inquiry documents, for example.
I'm claiming copyright on that you plagiarist!! https://www.not606.com/threads/the-politics-thread.304544/page-2632#post-13895936
I didn't realise Serena had posted that, I have to say she's gone up a long way in my estimation and I hope she doesn't get the usual social media treatment from the usual suspects...
Alright Wills, just got in, had my dinner so I’ll answer your points in black... 1/ So are you saying the causes and aims of BLM In the U.K. and the US are different or the same ? We live in the U.K. therefore I would think you would take more notice of what BLMUK are saying eg the dismantling of Capitalism....Please correct me if I’m wrong. 2/ Are you saying that the fundraiser that has raised over a million quid under the name of BLM is NOT from BLM ? If so that’s pretty scary stuff and I’m sure the real movement would be doing their upmost to get the money that should rightfully be theirs 3/ I was only questioning you Wills.....not trying to trick you, just to gain more understanding. As I’ve said, I find it rather hypocritical to pick which of the MAIN aims of BLM you want to agree with and which you don’t.... these aren’t aims hidden on page 253 of a manifesto, these are MAIN objectives. Your talk about religion is lost on me to be honest as I’m anti religion, I can understand why some take comfort in it but it’s not for me. The QPR makes a little bit more sense, however I once again state you are disagreeing with one of the principle objectives of BLM (in fact more than one) 4/ Yeah probably agree with that..... 5/ see 2 6/ See 3 (but agree, we are ALL hypocrites in some way) 7/ Surely I’m allowed to question.....especially if I don’t agree with your stance. As I’ve said before, I do enjoy debating with you, however this won’t stop me asking you questions that you might sometimes find difficult to justify your answers. Don't get the point of the last ‘football lads‘ bit as I don’t support them either. Sorry if my answers are a bit rushed and disjointed, haven’t long been home.
i can tell you that the initial bunch of chinese who came over were poor, uneducated and typically villagers who were primarily very low income farmers. From maybe the 97 onwards when the british government handed out british citizenship to a lot of public official have the middle class chinese started coming over (maybe a few before then as well). Nowadays, it's the rich chinese (from mainly predominantly) who are visiting the UK as students and maybe staying if possible
Interesting - would be interesting to see the different 'achievement levels' [for lack of a better phrase] for those different cohorts.
That’s a shame. It’s rather sad that somebody would want to post something like that in somebody else’s name.
We had a discussion on these stats a few [okay a lot of] pages ago - I don't think the comparison used here is quite fair. Here is my post from a few pages back: The statistics that Bradshaw cites, which if memory serves come from a few reports from the Rowntree foundation, are interesting. What's important to note is that the 'measurement' of working class in the education system is based on eligibility for free school meals. A quick google shows that 13% of white kids in high school are eligible for free school meals. That contrasts with 25% of Caribbean or African boys. So the comparison is being made between the poorest 13% of one population and the poorest 25% of another population. If you assume an equal distribution of innate intelligence across all kids, regardless of ethnicity [which anyone who isn't a massive racist will do], you would expect the poorest 13% of one population to score lower on average across every metric [exams, university, later employment] than the poorest 25% of another population as the 25% of the second population has a larger spread. In essence, the comparison isn't fit for purpose unless you're comparing the poorest 25% of both populations, not 13% of one and 25% of the other. What I'd perhaps add is that it's possible for there to be two significant challenges that co-exist - an issue for poorer white boys in the education system, as well as an issue for black students. The two don't necessarily cancel each other out, so to speak.
From BLMUK's Twitter account - "We're guided by a commitment to dismantle imperialism, capitalism, white supremacy, patriarchy and the state structures that disproportionately and systematically harm Black people in Britain and around the world" Interestingly..."We assure you that all organisers involved with BLM UK are Black (not politically Black....)...."
Fair challenge My point was more about the fact that there isn't always an acknowledgement of the existence of a white underclass - a section of the population that could claim to have been written off in the same way that many young black men in particular would (with some justification) claim And of course even with the %s you quote above this equates to a significantly larger absolute number of poorly achieving white youngsters
Agree on the first para. On the second, we will perhaps never agree as it is harder to prove either way, but I think the comparison with the Holocaust falls down for a few reasons even though I can understand where you are coming from. Firstly, because many of those Jewish individuals who fled in the 1930s were able to escape with some level of wealth. Secondly, because all of those who escaped had a higher initial level of education. And thirdly, and perhaps most importantly, because they were [on the whole] white, and the fundamental point I was making with slavery is that the deeply ingrained dehumanisation of black people was applied to a whole race. By contrast, you can't tell at a glance that someone is Jewish, and there isn't (or wasn't) that same therefore that same type of ingrained racism. If anything, I'd say the contrasting paths of the two different people group's therefore precisely proves my point! However, I appreciate we're unlikely to agree on this, and happy to disagree agreeably. I may do some more research into this at some point, as I'm hypothesising at the moment and I'm sure there would be literature on this somewhere. I have sympathy with both sides too - the police have an extremely difficult job, I hope no one would deny that. [As an aside, I don't think it is necessarily something that has been 'put behind them' given the actions of the State of Israel, but that's a whole separate discussion I'm not going to get into!!]
The same then as on the BLMUK go fund me page. I assume that Wills finally will agree that this is the official stance.
