Off Topic A serious question about racism

[MrRAWhite]

Here's my twopenneth worth.. It is wrong to suggest that all black people are the victims of the system and all the white people who are expressing concern and dismay of the BLM protests are all racists.
It is far more complex than that, and meaningful research, without fear of the racist card being pulled, needs to be carried out as to why a larger percentage of black people are stopped and searched by the police. I just think that branding the system, including the police and the justice system, as being racist is not being helpful and is just serving to divide people further.

 

[Owld Feller]

Will first couple of posts do?

Not very hard.

In particular, a reply/opinion would be much appreciated from @@Shameless , who appears to view himself as the supreme judge on this matter.

It wouldbe a typical reaction from the stereotypical 'bigmouth' who cannot support his views when challenged.

Sure I could dig out more but got me papers to read.

If you believe that justifies your comment I'm afraid I must disagree.

Also, iirc, that he had been pontificating on a number of other threads before I made that comment, which again contradicts your claim!

Given your earlier claim, are you, perchance a social worker?

 

[Sinner]

If you believe that justifies your comment I'm afraid I must disagree.

Also, iirc, that was latter in the thread, which again contradicts your claim!

Are you, perchance a social worker?

Guffaw.

The first quote is first paragraph of first post of thread !

This is too easy.

 

[Owld Feller]

Guffaw.

The first quote is first paragraph of first post of thread !

This is too easy.

Another one who can't read!

I would have thought that 'reading your papers' would have allowed me time to make my edit.

You now, though have unfurled your colours for all to see and understand your agenda!!

 

[Sinner]

Another one who can't read!

I would have thought that 'reading your papers' would have allowed me time to make my edit.

You now, though have unfurled your colours for all to see and understand your agenda!!

I'll leave you to it. No hard feelings, no agenda.

I have to finish last week's Sunday papers before tomorrow. As you can imagine stereotyping etc. has been a hot topic. All quite complex.

 

[Shameless]

Well he doesn't seem to like you

You seem perfectly reasonable to me.

How dare you make that judgement about me?

 

[Shameless]

How dare you make that judgement about me?

I wouldn't care but you can't even ****ing read.

 

[Smug in Boots]

Owld fella went for Shameless from first post, then backed off in outrage.

Not ad hominem, more passive aggressive but I assume they have history.
I'm getting the impression Owld Fella is not a social worker, might be wrong and not for the first time.

It was a bit of fun on my part mate.

Shameless loves the phrase and keeps going on about people making ad hominem attacks ...

...then doing it himself.

 

[Shameless]

Oh Smug you're heading down the garden path and straight into that glass house again

 

[Sinner]

It was a bit of fun on my part mate.

Shameless loves the phrase and keeps going on about people making ad hominem attacks ...

...then doing it himself.

I'm obviously missing a lot of the subtleties on this board but what a refreshing change from the other board, which has veered out of control.

You're all still a bunch of racist t***s mind you

 

[Shameless]

It was a bit of fun on my part mate.

Shameless loves the phrase and keeps going on about people making ad hominem attacks ...

...then doing it himself.

On a point of clarity, I have accused you only

 

[Smug in Boots]

Fair enough.

I'd say yes, quite a few do and it doesn't just apply to racial stereotypes. It's worth remembering that stereotypes are created by the actions/habits seen by many.

Take a show we have here called Border Security (It's to do with people coming through immigration and customs at airports). It's amazing how well one particular race appear to understand questions until they've been caught doing something wrong and then suddenly they can't understand english.

Different nationalities/races have certain characteristics which you can call stereotypes if you like.

But acknowledging a stereotype doesn't make you a racist ... although it's a hanging offence in the eyes of some people.

I've worked in a French security situation whereby I'd come into contact with all Europeans plus Brits, Aussies, Americans, etc.

The glaring similarities of people from the same nationalities was a source of amusement for the lads.

In that kind of work you'd absolutely have to make an instant judgement on everyone who arrived at the gate. The holiday complex held 5,000 and there'd be a constant stream of people coming and going in camper vans, caravans, tents, etc. We had a security staff of a dozen lads and, if you were on the front gate, the very first thing you'd look at would be any newcomers number plate.

Nationality, or the particular region of France, was a big part in deciding how to approach people.

The response to a carload of 5 North Africans, with a Paris number plate, would be, 'Sorry lads, the place is absolutely full'.
To a family with German plates it would be 'hello and welcome, choose your place, number 1773 is free and it's on the riverbank'.
To a gang of Danish bikers it would be 'this a family site but you look like a great bunch of lads so we'll happily let you on, don't let us down or you're off'.

It's all right for people to say you should give everyone a chance, get to know them and don't judge a book by its cover ...

... but those people aren't in a situation whereby serious trouble could ensue if they misjudge the situation.

 

[Smug in Boots]

I'm obviously missing a lot of the subtleties on this board but what a refreshing change from the other board, which has veered out of control.

You're all still a bunch of racist t***s mind you

If judging races, based on personal experience, is racist then I'm a racist.

Surely this is a question of the amount of time you have to make a call.

If I have time to get to know someone, anyone, I can make an informed judgement.

However I can also make an informed judgement in a split second if I have to. Working on the door of a 2,000 capacity rock music stand up venue, in gang riven Nottingham, necessitates making instant decisions. If LL Cool J was playing, and short haired white townies started showing up, in dribs and drabs, you'd be on guard.

If loads of black lads were milling around, before a Bad Manners gig, you'd be equally wary.

That's life, there's prejudice and division all around us.

 

[Smug in Boots]

On a point of clarity, I have accused you only

I've never denied doing it, if someone's acting the twat I'm happy to say so.

My point is that you throw your arms in the air, about it, but are one of the worst offenders.

 

[Shameless]

I've never denied it, if someone's acting the twat I'm happy to say so.

I think you're being a bit harsh on yourself there

 

[Smug in Boots]

I think you're being a bit harsh on yourself there

Oh dear, the 'nur nur ne nur nur' response

 

[old lads fan]

The response to a carload of 5 North Africans, with a Paris number plate, would be, 'Sorry lads, the place is absolutely full'.
To a family with German plates it would be 'hello and welcome, choose your place, number 1773 is free and it's on the riverbank'.
To a gang of Danish bikers it would be 'this a family site but you look like a great bunch of lads so we'll happily let you on, don't let us down or you're off'.

That is the very definition of racism. Whatever reason you give for your action it is racist.

 

[old lads fan]

If judging races, based on personal experience, is racist then I'm a racist.

And then you confirm it.

 

[Shameless]

Oh dear, the 'nur nur ne nur nur' response

Good that's settled then I'll put my handbag away

And I would prefer going back to topic

I'd say yes, quite a few do and it doesn't just apply to racial stereotypes. It's worth remembering that stereotypes are created by the actions/habits seen by many.

And where do you 'see' this? If it is via the public broadcast TV media and distributed newspapers (as opposed to some selectively bias Internet sites as sources of information) then do you also accept it as reliable portrayal of the way things are?

 

[Shameless]

Different nationalities/races have certain characteristics which you can call stereotypes if you like.

To the Chinese we are fat and ugly
The Japanese: we all stink of cheese
South Koreans are a proud race of *****ls stronger and better than we Brits