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dennisboothstash said:
No point in me guessing how many we normally use, given how inaccurate your guess was for how many we’re using now.
But someone will know it and be able to calculate the volume needed. If some go out of date on a cyclical basis so be it.
It’s prevention for an identified risk, it’s expensive, in the same way that Trident is for similar reasons.
Of course as I said stockpiling is only necessary until you sort out the actual answer of UK based production
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If you’re stockpiling hundreds of millions of them, then the UK manufacturing option goes out the window, as you’d need to buy them as cheaply as possible.
 
dennisboothstash said:
How can it be out of the blue when it’s been top of the published risk register for years?
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Because it's a risk that is very pricey, and few will pay for it, and often an "exclusion" in insurance policies, Just like being struck by lightning, or being a fighter pilot, or an F1 driver.
Insurance companies covering inventory/life expectancy of said inventory will rate premiums accordingly. Just-in-time strategies come into play here.
Who makes the decisions ? Governments ? Manufacturers ? Middle-men ? end-suppliers ? Hospitals ?
 
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It appears that the number of deaths due to heart failure and cancer have plummeted to an all time low, basically because everybody seemingly dies from Covid-19...

Alway look for the positives...
 
dennisboothstash said:
nope
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There would be how many tens or hundreds of billions of pounds of PPE sitting in a warehouse, what, the size of London? Maybe enough to last 12 weeks. All expiring. In order to cope with an unprecedented crisis like this.

This isn’t a problem unique to the U.K. Every single country in the world has the very same problem. Even China ran out and couldn’t make it fast enough, and they are the biggest manufacturer for it all.
 
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tigerscanada said:
Because it's a risk that is very pricey, and few will pay for it, and often an "exclusion" in insurance policies, Just like being struck by lightning, or being a fighter pilot, or an F1 driver.
Insurance companies covering inventory/life expectancy of said inventory will rate premiums accordingly. Just-in-time strategies come into play here.
Who makes the decisions ? Governments ? Manufacturers ? Middle-men ? end-suppliers ? Hospitals ?
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I was more talking about risk to the insurers actually, but I see what you’ve said covers both for different reasons.
Govt should make the decision, it’s their risk register. They obviously did, their decision apparently being to cross their fingers.
Not one I agree with
 
Mr Hacker said:
There would be how many tens or hundreds of billions of pounds of PPE sitting in a warehouse, what, the size of London? Maybe enough to last 12 weeks. All expiring. In order to cope with an unprecedented crisis like this.

This isn’t a problem unique to the U.K. Every single country in the world has the very same problem. Even China ran out and couldn’t make it fast enough, and they are the biggest manufacturer for it all.
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Give up then eh?
Trident is a fairly costly insurance policy isn’t it, but we manage to pay for that ok
 
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AlRawdah said:
Even if you only used half a million a week in normal circumstances you can hold a stock of 50 million and cycle through that stockpile over 100 weeks. It’s how loads of businesses work, where just-in-time supply isn’t good enough.
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50 million is one weeks supply, that’s not stockpiling, to cover something like this happening again you’d need a minimum three month supply, now you’re on 1,300 weeks stock.
 
originallambrettaman said:
We’re getting through tens of thousands of plastic face masks (possibly hundreds of thousands) every week, an item that’s not used unless there’s a global highly contagious virus, you think we should warehouse millions of them, progressively clouding up), on the off-chance it happens again?
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Well since a pandemic was identified by the Government as the biggest risk the country could face - I would say YES. If (as it is widely believed) they save thousands of lives - I would say YES. Isn't it what Germany (for example) did? - i.e have better stocks of PPE on the off-chance of a pandemic?
 
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Large Elephant said:
Well since a pandemic was identified by the Government as the biggest risk the country could face - I would say YES. If (as it is widely believed) they save thousands of lives - I would say YES. Isn't it what Germany (for example) did? - i.e have better stocks of PPE on the off-chance of a pandemic?
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And had their own large scale testing labs too, which helped
 
Simple fact is that PPE will never be able to be manufactured in the Uk unless

A - people ) companies accept a much higher price

B - the PPE is made at a loss and the government supports the business making it and covers the loss

Cheap items just can't be mass produced in the UK at the same price as china etc
 
In addition to the actual amount of PPE available didn't the government cite problems with the distribution of supplies? I'm not conversant with the current arrangements but, prior to 2010, we did have regional supply centres (ours was at Normanton) - if that network has since been dismantled then distribution problems would be inevitable.
 
Howdentiger2 said:
Simple fact is that PPE will never be able to be manufactured in the Uk unless

A - people ) companies accept a much higher price

B - the PPE is made at a loss and the government supports the business making it and covers the loss

Cheap items just can't be mass produced in the UK at the same price as china etc
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I can see why you think that, but actually you’re wrong. Quality reusable is, I know for a fact, cheaper than disposable for example.
Even if it wasn’t, which it is, the Govt should have stood the cost of keeping it manufactured in UK
 
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originallambrettaman said:
50 million is one weeks supply, that’s not stockpiling, to cover something like this happening again, you’d need a minimum three month supply, now you’re on 1,300 weeks stock.
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It's a lot less costly exercise than not having provisions .
Maybe have the nhs supplied from these shores with capability of ramping up in a crisis .
 
dennisboothstash said:
I can see why you think that, but actually you’re wrong. Quality reusable is, I know for a fact, cheaper than disposable for example.
Even if it wasn’t, which it is, the Govt should have stood the cost of keeping it manufactured in UK
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Quality reusable may be cheaper than disposal, but you can still manufacture the quality reusable much cheaper outside the UK
 
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