Definitely. The referee should ask the VAR official a specific question and expect a specific answer.
VAR
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When asked
I agree
However I stated quite a while ago
That the stronger personality player will bully the referee into
ASKING
Vince mate, do we really need to care about this Var stuff, it will get worse before it gets better. I know it's belated but I'd just like to wish you a jappy birthday bonny lad.. I really hope you enjoyed.. one of the best always x
Only the captain or manager can approach the ref. If another player does they lose their VAR check.
Were I a cynical sod, always doubting the 'official view', I could suspect that the Football Authorities had arranged VAR to have this outcome on purpose.
After all, they opposed it's introduction at every opportunity.
After 'goal-line technology' proved to be 100% successful, they were dragged kicking and screaming towards introducing VAR.
But the rules they have applied and the methodology that they have put in place have made sure that it would fail on every front.
But the most important failing, and they really have made sure of this, is that the Fans, including those like me who supported it's introduction, would turn against it.
As long as it would be used to correct blatant errors, I can't see anyone complaining.
But, as a Fan, I never expected that it would be used to disallow goals because someone MIGHT have been a millimetre offside.
That's not a clear error.
At times it looks like the grass-cutting lines on the pitch are the deciding factor.
So the ground staff are making the decisions
And, to be honest I'm not overly impressed by players and Managers who complain about the present system at great length, WHENEVER A DECISION GOES AGAINST THEM.
They are the first to yell at the Fourth Official asking for a review when they hope it will go for them.
And it really shouldn't be hard to come up with a sensible framework if, at the outset, it's stressed that the system is only to be used to correct blatant errors.
When that's shown to work will be the time to consider any extended use.
After all, they opposed it's introduction at every opportunity.
After 'goal-line technology' proved to be 100% successful, they were dragged kicking and screaming towards introducing VAR.
But the rules they have applied and the methodology that they have put in place have made sure that it would fail on every front.
But the most important failing, and they really have made sure of this, is that the Fans, including those like me who supported it's introduction, would turn against it.
As long as it would be used to correct blatant errors, I can't see anyone complaining.
But, as a Fan, I never expected that it would be used to disallow goals because someone MIGHT have been a millimetre offside.
That's not a clear error.
At times it looks like the grass-cutting lines on the pitch are the deciding factor.
So the ground staff are making the decisions
And, to be honest I'm not overly impressed by players and Managers who complain about the present system at great length, WHENEVER A DECISION GOES AGAINST THEM.
They are the first to yell at the Fourth Official asking for a review when they hope it will go for them.
And it really shouldn't be hard to come up with a sensible framework if, at the outset, it's stressed that the system is only to be used to correct blatant errors.
When that's shown to work will be the time to consider any extended use.
So in the same passage of play VAR not only disallowed a Bournemouth goal but gave a penalty to Burnley. Whether justice was done or not, that just doesn't seem right to me.
Were I a cynical sod, always doubting the 'official view', I could suspect that the Football Authorities had arranged VAR to have this outcome on purpose.
After all, they opposed it's introduction at every opportunity.
After 'goal-line technology' proved to be 100% successful, they were dragged kicking and screaming towards introducing VAR.
But the rules they have applied and the methodology that they have put in place have made sure that it would fail on every front.
But the most important failing, and they really have made sure of this, is that the Fans, including those like me who supported it's introduction, would turn against it.
As long as it would be used to correct blatant errors, I can't see anyone complaining.
But, as a Fan, I never expected that it would be used to disallow goals because someone MIGHT have been a millimetre offside.
That's not a clear error.
At times it looks like the grass-cutting lines on the pitch are the deciding factor.
So the ground staff are making the decisions
And, to be honest I'm not overly impressed by players and Managers who complain about the present system at great length, WHENEVER A DECISION GOES AGAINST THEM.
They are the first to yell at the Fourth Official asking for a review when they hope it will go for them.
And it really shouldn't be hard to come up with a sensible framework if, at the outset, it's stressed that the system is only to be used to correct blatant errors.
When that's shown to work will be the time to consider any extended use.
as far as i can recall, it was intended to correct any 'obviously missed' decisions, yet they sit and check for offsides that are so fine it is impossible to see them in real time...today, i expected to see giroud's goal disallowed as his arm was closer to the goal than the defender although his feet were at least a foot further away, glad to see common sense employed on that one and the goal stood.
as the weeks go by i am really starting to hate VAR, i also have to admit that i was never a fan of it being introduced but as it was going to be brought into the game i figured i would give it a fair shot...unfortunately, it has basically come down to the officials almost waiting for VAR to make the decision for them on any close calls and the linesmen/women are all but redundant.
if it is going to be brought into the game 'full time' it needs to be used for it's initial purpose or teams get a limited number of appeals, as even the ever faithful pundits are laughing at it now.
Sadly this is another day when a day out for supporters has been ruined by officials ...
... it was never meant to be like this.
A classic case of ruining something by 'making it better'.
I’ve said before and I’ll say again
Goal line technology only
Leave the rest to the officials there is plenty to officiate
This is football throughout all levels
NOT A VIDEO GAME
Goal line technology only
Leave the rest to the officials there is plenty to officiate
This is football throughout all levels
NOT A VIDEO GAME
We are making a pigs ear of VAR right now that's for sure..
It’s disgrace
It’s only used where big money is at stake
How can it be used in other than top flight games
Keep it simple if it has to be used
Yep I was generally in favour of VAR, not so sure now..
I wanted it to stop cheats diving as at the World Cup, where that little git who is now playing for PSG had a penalty overturned and was yellow carded
However I was forgetting football authorities are plonkers compared to those in ,cricket, rugby and tennis. They have their own principle, what can be cocked up will be. So we have sending offs that are not given, or goals ruled offside that have millimetres in it, or wierd hand balls given that aren't or 2 minutes to make a decision whilst play goes on...etc
All needs sorting out to some sensible commonsense rules, plus, sod manure and the bindippers, shown on the big screen so fans at the ground can see it, bindippers and manure should be shamed into installing it.
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How far will they go before admitting they have it wrong and changing how its used?
The disallowed goal that turned into a penalty sums it up, Bournemouth clear an attack and break away to score. Var notices a handball at the start of the move so disallow the goal and award a penalty. What's to say in the next game there is a foul missed, a throw in or corner incorrectly given and the same thing happens? Will they bring it back for that?
For the sending off the BBC have reported this -
During the game, BBC Radio 5 Live's Mark Chapman was given a statement by the Professional Game Match Officials Board - the body responsible for Premier League referees.
He said: "I have a statement on why that wasn't a red card... give me strength... not a clear and obvious error because the VAR didn't feel there was anywhere else for Lo Celso to put his foot."
After the game finished, Chapman posted on social media to say the station had spoken to Stockley Park and, on reflection, "they did think the tackle was a red card".
"They do want to reiterate the fact that it was a human being making a decision on a subjective event, but also said the challenge did 'tick the boxes' of being a red card," Chapman tweeted.
The disallowed goal that turned into a penalty sums it up, Bournemouth clear an attack and break away to score. Var notices a handball at the start of the move so disallow the goal and award a penalty. What's to say in the next game there is a foul missed, a throw in or corner incorrectly given and the same thing happens? Will they bring it back for that?
For the sending off the BBC have reported this -
During the game, BBC Radio 5 Live's Mark Chapman was given a statement by the Professional Game Match Officials Board - the body responsible for Premier League referees.
He said: "I have a statement on why that wasn't a red card... give me strength... not a clear and obvious error because the VAR didn't feel there was anywhere else for Lo Celso to put his foot."
After the game finished, Chapman posted on social media to say the station had spoken to Stockley Park and, on reflection, "they did think the tackle was a red card".
"They do want to reiterate the fact that it was a human being making a decision on a subjective event, but also said the challenge did 'tick the boxes' of being a red card," Chapman tweeted.
Spurs v Chelsea
The stamping incident
Var have admitted human error and made a mistake
How many humans are in the var room making the decision
It’s a farce
The stamping incident
Var have admitted human error and made a mistake
How many humans are in the var room making the decision
It’s a farce
because that will put the onus back on the man in the middle, as it stands, he has VAR to blame along with every other fan if a wrong call is made...i bet most if not all refs are enjoying not being scrutinised week after week now and who can blame them.