That’s a valid point. Labour did change the political narrative a bit, and drove the Tories onto their territory. Now let’s see if the Government delivers on the 20,000 police officers and 30,000 nurses they have promised.
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That’s a valid point. Labour did change the political narrative a bit, and drove the Tories onto their territory. Now let’s see if the Government delivers on the 20,000 police officers and 30,000 nurses they have promised.
Yep agree .
Also in the comments some one said - For the first time in my life , Friday 13th has become a horror show .
What embarrassed me yesterday is how excited people were with the result.....I said to them don’t cry when it all goes wrong ....of which it will.
After getting the assurance that Chris Matheson had secured Chester again, this was the vote I looked for. I was furious with the Lib Dems over this seat. Delighted she won it, of course. But interesting question asked both here and there. How significant is that student vote in smaller University towns? This raises questions about age, social class and level of education. The Labour Party's navel gazing needs a proper level of analysis. I suspect that Corbyn and chums will be encouraging a "the-message-was-good-they-didn't-understand-it" approach. That way decades of powerlessness lies.
Only had one argument if you can call it that . Me and another colleague are Labour voters and we both felt labour messed up massively in the campaign.
when I suggested people only voted because they thought the election was all about Brexit , several others said , well of course it’s about Brexit . The other issues . NHS nurses , police , education never were never even on their radar .
Labour has to get the right leader next time, that’s vital.
There’ll be an inquest, but let’s hope there aren’t too many recriminations. And there’s no need for too much navel gazing, two factors in equal measure cost Labour the election; Brexit, and Jeremy Corbyn’s personal unpopularity. I think the public have been duped on both, but the public have spoken pretty emphatically. We have to swallow it and move on.
The man who stirred it all up and caused all the damage, who polarised the country and showed a complete disregard for the damage and harm he was causing or the safety of women MPs is now spouting false words about starting the healing.
Its as if someone stabbed you in the back and then said "Here let me put a plaster on that for you".
Never before have I said after an election "You foolish, foolish people".
I still cannot believe that yesterday I heard a retired miner who had supported Scargill in the fight against Thatcher say he couldn't vote for Corbyn and that he had more faith in Johnson.
Its as if someone stabbed you in the back and then said "Here let me put a plaster on that for you".
Never before have I said after an election "You foolish, foolish people".
I still cannot believe that yesterday I heard a retired miner who had supported Scargill in the fight against Thatcher say he couldn't vote for Corbyn and that he had more faith in Johnson.
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That excellent article you posted sums this up:
"The result would suggest that large portions of the populace have little capacity to critically think. “But we’ve got our country back” I hear once more. “But clearly not the NHS for much longer” I reply. I’m sure some people will complain that I’m calling people stupid for their political beliefs. To clarify this, yes, that’s exactly what I am doing. If only some of these people could have put their crayons down or possibly read a book without pictures at least once in their lives, maybe things might have turned out differently."
To give universal suffrage and then impose a narrow education system on the proles is a recipe for disaster. And before you squeal, my background was very much prole and an enlightened education system gave me opportunities. When I first left Uni, I 'dallied' with teaching and was given a book "Teaching as a subversive activity". Less Spelling, Punctuation and Grammar and more Critical Thinking is needed.
Heard similar from the son of miner who was in the strike . My father was a miner , but I’m voting for Boris .
The selection of the new ( small "n") Labour leader is going to be critical. If it isn't from the centre but a Corbynite left candidate then look forward to a decade of Pfeffel. I would really love a radical left wing agenda but the 1983 election convinced me that it just isn't possible. Choosing, for example Rebecca Long Bailey will be like sending our army into battle with Nazi panzers in cardboard tanks. Realistically it has to be somebody of the stature of Keir Starmer or Hillary Benn.
I would add to that - "marketing." Look at Labour´s 1997 campaign. It was full of energy and the message was simple "New Labour." In fact Labour didn´t need to say much in that campaign as by then the Tory Government was deeply unpopular and on its knees.
At the moment, I feel we are half way through an electoral cycle, and it may well take another election defeat until Labour are seen as electable again by the general populace, and will need to come up with policies for the 2030s and the middle decades of this century.
We haven´t heard the name of the next Labour PM yet. It is likely to be someone who at present is in their late 20s or early 30s, who will then be seen as very good in the eyes of the electorate as they tire of an aging Tory PM and cabinet. That is the next election but one in my eyes. Perhaps like the Conservatives post 1997, Labour will go through a few leaders until they get that star person, a la Blair.
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garysfc
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That’s key. The amount of smoke & mirrors is just absurd nowadays & imo just absolutely ****s everyone (the general majority ) off. virtually every stat, figure provided by one party was countered by the other & by 180o. No wonder joe bloggs has no idea & then they vote in a more pragmatic way. the media (not just bbc) are also to blame but they too can’t just dissect every statement.
garysfc
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Yep, a centre, centre right “Blair”. The public of today are still afraid of a strong left or even a left party. That together with JC sitting with splinters was the root of the massive swing. Let’s face it, it wasn’t Boris’ allure that got him elected & with that majority.
Os, if anyone hasn’t seen it, I’d urge them not to watch it. Leave them free from the anger and fear that the film will leave them feeling.
They’ll be happier being blissfully unaware.
It is shocking. My wife is a gentile, calm lady (yeah, I don’t know either) but she got very angry after watching that moving and kept talking about it for days.
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I said a few days ago that the average person’s concentration plan is tiny
“Get Brexit done” and “Put the Great back into Britain” are easier to buy than a 1000 words of fact.
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