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General Election 2019

Discussion in 'Watford' started by colognehornet, Oct 31, 2019.

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General Election 2019

  1. Labour

    12 vote(s)
    36.4%
  2. Tory

    9 vote(s)
    27.3%
  3. Lib. Dem

    6 vote(s)
    18.2%
  4. Green Party

    1 vote(s)
    3.0%
  5. Brexit Party

    2 vote(s)
    6.1%
  6. SNP

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Plaid Cymru

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. None of the above

    2 vote(s)
    6.1%
  9. My legs because they support me

    1 vote(s)
    3.0%
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  1. oldfrenchhorn

    oldfrenchhorn Well-Known Member
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    I am surprised that SH still thinks that the WTO is the backstop for leaving the EU. Thanks to the orange one across the pond, as of today the WTO ceases to function. If and when it restarts it could take many months to be a functioning organisation again. The following article shows just how any large trading block could put the UK into dire straights.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...xit-trade-at-risk-as-wto-top-court-shuts-down
     
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  2. yorkshirehornet

    yorkshirehornet Well-Known Member

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    All your BoJo can mouth is 'Get Brexit done'... Any other questions and he scuttles off and hides..
     
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  3. yorkshirehornet

    yorkshirehornet Well-Known Member

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    From a FB friends ....worth a read to counter the smears:

    " I'm really fascinated by the people who say they're terrified of Jeremy Corbyn's radical left-wing policies, often to the point of claiming that they'd think about leaving the country if he becomes Prime Minister.
    It's fascinating because if you're bricking it at these policies, I'm wondering where you'd actually go.

    If it's tuition-free university education you're afraid of, then Germany, France, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Iceland, Belgium, Spain, Austria, Greece, Argentina, India, Brazil, Mexico ... are out of the question.

    If it's slightly increasing Corporation Tax to 26% from the all-time low rate the Tories have reduced it to since 2010, that rules out Canada, Japan, Australia, Colombia, Luxembourg, New Zealand, Pakistan, Nigeria, Costa Rica, Peru, Kenya, Sri Lanka, El Salvador, South Africa, Italy, Morocco, Chile, Monaco, Uganda, Cuba, Tunisia, Philippines, Namibia, Nepal, Jamaica, Guyana, DR Congo, Bangladesh ... (also many others already on the 'no go' list like France, Germany Belgium, Austria, Brazil, Mexico, Argentina ...)

    Corbyn wants to roll out super-fast broadband, so if you're afraid of that, then Japan, South Korea, and Uruguay are out of the question too, because they've achieved almost 100% universal super-fast broadband coverage.

    If it's a National Investment Bank that's making you quake in your boots in terror, then Norway is now absolutely, totally, out of the question because they've used their North Sea oil dividends to build up the wealthiest sovereign wealth fund on the planet, despite only having a population of 5 million.

    Other countries with sovereign wealth funds that you'll have to add to your 'no go' list include Singapore, China, India, Hong Kong, UAE, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Angola, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, Qatar, Malaysia, Iran, Trinidad and Tobago, Russia, Brunei, Azerbaijan, Vietnam, Gabon, Turkey, Oman, Bahrain, Algeria, Venezuela, Ireland, Botswana, Panama, Senegal, Iraq, Kiribati, *****lia, Equatorial Guinea, Ghana, Turkmenistan, Rwanda and Palestine (as well as many others already added to your growing 'no go' list like Germany, Mexico, Ireland, South Korea, Canada, Australia, France ...)

    When it comes to Corbyn's plans to bring the railways back under public ownership, nations with public not-for-profit rail systems to avoid include the Netherlands, Poland, Lithuania, Slovenia, Slovakia, Romania, Latvia, Ukraine, Belarus, Portugal, Hungary (100% owned by Austria's state railway), Switzerland, Czech Republic, Estonia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Lithuania, Serbia (56%), Albania, Liechtenstein (100% owned by Austria's state railway), Bulgaria (many other countries with public railways are already on your 'no go' list, so make double or triple sure to avoid France, Germany, Austria, Italy, Russia, Ireland ...).

    If publicly owned rail systems have you quaking in your boots, you'll also have to stay off trains in the UK, because under the Tories' crackpot rail privatisation agenda 74% of rail services are now operated by the state railways of foreign governments (Netherlands, Germany, China, Hong Kong, Singapore, Italy ...) so if nationalised trains scare the life out of you, don't dare set foot on a train in Great Britain.

    You'll have noticed that I only bothered with Europe for the publicly-owned railways, and basically every country in Europe has been added to your 'no go' list, and I've not even got to publicly owned water supplies, and energy distribution grids which are absolutely commonplace across the aforementioned countries.

    In some of the few countries on earth ever to have privatised their water supply (like Argentina and Bolivia) intense public resistance has resulted in eventual renationalisation. If not-for-profit drinking water upsets you, you're going to have to plan your travels very carefully indeed,

    Also very few countries have ever allowed their entire electricity transmission and distribution network (about the most obvious natural monopoly it's possible to think of) to fall into private hands. One of the countries you've not had to add to your 'no go' list so far is Israel, but Israel Electric Corporation is government owned, so add them now.

    You may be desperately holding out hope on one major nation I've not mentioned yet, thinking that they're definitely more right-wing than the UK, but you'd be wrong.

    In the United States a lot of infrastructure and public investment is devolved to state level, where not-for-profit state operated water supplies and electricity distribution are commonplace. Also several US states have Sovereign Wealth Funds (Alaska, Texas, New Mexico, Wyoming, North Dakota, Alabama, Utah, Idaho, Louisiana, Oregon, West Virginia ...). The US colony of Puerto Rico has a government owned electricity supply too, so you can't hope to get in there on a technicality either.

    I'm afraid that if Jeremy Corbyn's policies are too scary for you, you're going to have to stay away from the United States, because of their frighteningly 'communist' tendencies.

    You may also have noticed that I've forgotten to mention Scotland (free education, not-for-profit water) Northern Ireland (public trains), and Wales (not-for-profit water), so add them now.

    The Isle of Man is also out of question for their state owned railway too, just in case you were wondering.

    So it turns out that if you're terrified of Jeremy Corbyn's policies then you'd better stay in England for the rest of your life, avoiding the rail network, hugging a picture of Margaret Thatcher, continually checking for "Reds Under the Bed!", and praying that the Tories never, ever, lose an election.

    If you're afraid of Jeremy Corbyn's economic policies, I'm afraid you're pretty much the dictionary definition of a narrow-minded little Englander aren't you?"

    Apols if it offends but he just about covers all the key deomsitc policies.....
     
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  4. colognehornet

    colognehornet Well-Known Member

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    Good post Yorkie <cheers> Put in shortened terms the UK (or at least the carrot crunching English bit) is the most right wing country on this planet from which every deviation constitutes rabid Marxism or Trotskyism.
     
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  5. yorkshirehornet

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    That right wing paper the Standard reveals how Parliament would look if only 18-24s voted and of course it is the YouGov poll that someone on here swears by.:

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/pol...-between-generations-in-britain-a3930341.html

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    Election Maps UK @ElectionMapsUK

    How the next general election would look if only 18-24s were allowed to vote (Data from @YouGov, 28-29th August). I'm expecting some great GIFs, everyone...

    LAB: 66%, 600 Seats
    LDM: 13%, 21 Seats
    CON: 12%, 0 Seats
    GRN: 4%, 1 Seat
    SNP: 3%, 9 Seats
    PLC: 0.4%, 1 Seat

    The Tories have alienated the young... and as we know, the young grow older and their day of Judgment will come....
     
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  6. Scullion

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    Therein lies one of the problems, drunks and others who have knowingly put them selves in a situation where they need medical care at the expense of others. Drunks and the like should be locked in a cold room to sober up and then charge them for wasting precious hospital resources.
     
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  7. colognehornet

    colognehornet Well-Known Member

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    How the general election result would look if only 60-65s Watford fans living in the Cologne area were allowed to vote:
    Lab; 200 Seats
    LDM; 10 Seats
    GRN; 300 Seats
    SNP: All those in Scotland
     
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  8. superhorns

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    The problem with the above people mature, as they grow up and ditch the socialist views. The age group when the majority support the Tories has recently reduced from 45 year old down to 40 year old.

    This is why the Conservatives remain the natural party of government.
     
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  9. Scullion

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    To be honest I do not have the knowledge to confirm or disagree with their opinion but I expect you could find 163 other experts who think exactly the opposite.
    My experience so far tells me that Labour are poor at running the economy and can create situations like we had in the Callaghan era and I see little benefit to the less well off when we have a Labour government. I don't want to go there again.
    Having said that if Labour did form a government, it's going to be very interesting.....
     
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  10. Toby

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    So postal vote numbers are being leaked to the Tories? Raab hinted at it and now Kuenssberg has confirmed it. Dirty cheating scum

     
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  11. oldfrenchhorn

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    If this is true it is illegal and the police should be called. If she is just reporting spin from the Tories she should be hauled to account for not making that clear.
     
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    yorkshirehornet Well-Known Member

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    She is so right wing... She dropped that off the cuff comment about Labour demonstraters outside the Leeds hospital.. A complete untruth
     
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    Not much about what is happening in Scotland, but I came across this.

    Tories forecast Lib Dem win in North East Fife. Why? Because Tory voters are swinging tactically against @theSNP en masse; @theSNP forecast to take at least Stirling, Ochil & SP, and Aberdeen South from @ScotTories.

    If this is happening it would appear that people really have started to get to grips with tactical voting. In England I have seen candidates today saying not to vote for them, but for a different candidate just to keep another candidate out.
     
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  14. Toby

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    ABT <cheers>
     
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    Thank you. <applause>
    Painted as crazy and reckless ideas, but it’s just common sense.
     
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  16. colognehornet

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    Maybe we should have independent observers from the UN overseeing our elections like in some African countries.
     
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    I have long expected, and been disappointed by the failure of true tactical voting. This is where thousands of voters in seats where their vote is wasted (e.g. being a labour supporter in the Tory heartlands) simply register to vote in a marginal constituency where their vote would really count. It's perfectly legal, (as long as you only vote in 1 constituency) and isn't difficult to organise, would be regarded as outrageous by the losers, and so finally kill of FPTP.
     
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    You imply that the Tories are dirty cheating scum because votes have been leaked to them. I would ask who it is doing the leaking, the returning officer in charge of postal votes? The people leaking the votes should be investigated to get facts as to how and why they did this and then take the appropriate action.
    Not sure how leaked votes is going to help now anyway but it is concerning.
     
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  19. yorkshirehornet

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    Yes....agreed..
    And... Kuensberrg has got such a reputation on her selective reporting
     
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    I live in the Stirling constituency and at the last election the Conservative candidate won by a small majority. I have to say he deserves to be re elected simply because of the energy he has put into getting votes, I have been getting at least 2 flyers from him each week ever since the election was announced and there are big banners everywhere. I don't recall any other party banners. If I have got more than one flyer from the other candidates it would be exceptional.

    If the SNP want to win the seat back then they have not been trying very hard.

    The Conservative candidate has been campaigning on stopping indref2 with little mention of Brexit. I guess some who voted Conservative last time might go for Lib Dems or Labour which might result in the SNP getting back in here. I have no feel for what the locals think about another indyref.
     
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