Serious takeover talk
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The only apology I owe you is for over estimating your ability to comprehend the English language and for doing so I humbly beg your pardon.
Lot of truth there but I dont believe there is much in the way of large returns from football.
Where you make the money is selling players to the big boys. That is what has sustained nufc, burnley , leicester, even spurs and others in the past few years.
The player wage Bill's and overheads are massive these days. I recall many groaning when we sold pickford, Henderson, even bent, saying we would never progress if we kept selling off our best players. Fact is even top 6 clubs like arsenal and spurs are feeder clubs to the likes of city, united and real Madrid etc.
Fabulously wealthy people like abramovic have tired of the incessant pumping in of money. Besides keane nailed it when he intimated the wags of top players were not fussed about living in the north east, ie attracting players can be problematic.
I hope I am wrong but I dont ever see us being much more than a mid table premier league team, nowt wrong with that btw.
Those thinking these lads will spend for fun may be disappointed.
The foregoing may be pessimistic but I am from the jumpers for goalposts generation. Charlie Hurley in baseball boots, Cec and len the flowerpot men at full back. I want glitz and glamour, Hollywood football, but it just doesn't and can't happen at Sunderland....does it?
Warning ( especially for rtg lurkers) ..positive post
Just reread the echo article about msd and the Marlins investment.
Some observations.
Firstly it isnt msd it is a different investment group albeit with familiar names ie FFP (with Dell a passive investor)
Most probably that is already know.
MSD only have just under 8% of the shares so are very much a minority. They can ( and I reckon they will ) withdraw after 5 years and get their money back with interest.
They have seen and been part of a major overhaul as to how a major sporting enterprise could and should run, ie
Jeter and Jordan are part of the syndicate and apart from their past sporting prowess ( both hall of famers) neither are slouches when it comes to investing in sports franchises.
Hopefully ( in the near future ) we will be privy to best practice re
Academies and scouting
Analytics
Marketing
Fan experience
General and Overall Management
In my mind this can only bode well for our club, albeit I doubt these lads take any prisoners where their money is involved.
No more charlatans like Bain taking the pi55 for 2 years and then getting a humungous pay out.
No more allowing failed and failing managers to stay past their 'best use by' date.
No more allowing kids like maja to go on the cheap and then replacing them with more expensive ( add much older, unfit and injured ) duds with no resale value.
I realise some of you pan me for negativity.
But you too may forget where you have put your meds and come over all hare Krishna one of these days
Just reread the echo article about msd and the Marlins investment.
Some observations.
Firstly it isnt msd it is a different investment group albeit with familiar names ie FFP (with Dell a passive investor)
Most probably that is already know.
MSD only have just under 8% of the shares so are very much a minority. They can ( and I reckon they will ) withdraw after 5 years and get their money back with interest.
They have seen and been part of a major overhaul as to how a major sporting enterprise could and should run, ie
Jeter and Jordan are part of the syndicate and apart from their past sporting prowess ( both hall of famers) neither are slouches when it comes to investing in sports franchises.
Hopefully ( in the near future ) we will be privy to best practice re
Academies and scouting
Analytics
Marketing
Fan experience
General and Overall Management
In my mind this can only bode well for our club, albeit I doubt these lads take any prisoners where their money is involved.
No more charlatans like Bain taking the pi55 for 2 years and then getting a humungous pay out.
No more allowing failed and failing managers to stay past their 'best use by' date.
No more allowing kids like maja to go on the cheap and then replacing them with more expensive ( add much older, unfit and injured ) duds with no resale value.
I realise some of you pan me for negativity.
But you too may forget where you have put your meds and come over all hare Krishna one of these days
Good to see Martin Bain's hard work here has payed off for himself. Nice job in India, he will be ****ting on street corners and getting chased by rabies ridden dogs whilst shopping for his face cream and nail polish
Thing is I suppose from shorts perspective bain was a 'football man'.
He had a very very senior job at rangers ( admittedly a falling or fallen giant ) at the time. He then was CEO at a senior club in Israel ( Maccabi iirc ). By the standards of most ceo's in football he was more than qualified ( on paper ) for the role. The likes of levy, kenyon, Woodward all came from non football professions yet are highly regarded. How often do we hear we want someone who understands or is a football man.
Bain was 24 carat dog5hit.
Bet you though in an interview he could talk the green off a leaf.
As long as he is thousands of miles away from us I am happy
I prefer Muller rice
I preferred treasure hunt with Anneka Rice
I hope and suspect that the involvement of FPP will be structured in a different way to the Marlins. Other than that difference I agree with the rest of the post, it seems from the outside looking in massive change is required to allow the club to climb the leagues.
You could be right, that much has been said the last 6/7 weeks I'm not sure it's still 2019.
Oh I think they will eventually be much more hands on with us.
The 80m or sp they paid to get 8% barely gets them on the top table.
50m with us puts them first cab off the rank.
They will be sorting the wheat from the chaff at the Marlins and if all this comes to fruition can only benefit us...I hope.
Top and bottom of it is results on the pitch, if we're winning games , behind the scenes is where it all stays. Defeats and it's all escalated way above what it actually is.
I think the top and bottom of the matter is we are not good enough, werent last season and its carried over into this season.
genuinely see us being in this division for the foreseeable future.
genuinely see us being in this division for the foreseeable future.
We've gone backwards in my view
All Short had to do was listen to the opinions of Rangers supporters or any neutral in Scotland to know exactly where Bain's involvement would end, as it did at Rangers.
Certainly at full back and apart from McNulty I don't think we've improved anywhere else
Too much chopping and changing from day one, the pre season planning, if there was any, did not last for 45 minutes. The seriously bad start was not rectified and led the crisis of confidence, Ross and his backroom staff were clueless, and had no answers.
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