Bolton, Bury and Macclesfield to do one...

[Newland Tiger]

I agree with that
But what gets lost is they did listen to some supporters
Just the wrong ones. And that gets lost in the noise.

Which ones ?

 

[originallambrettaman]

Large clubs have come to the aid of smaller clubs in the past. Chelsea saved Aldershot Town when they brokered a deal for their youth teams to play at the EBB stadium.

Man City gave Bury free use of all their training facilities (which are the best in the country) and Man United offered to loan them players to get through this season.

These clubs keep getting slated online for doing nothing, when in fact both offered their help.

 

[Trumpton Tiger.]

Supporter relations fell when they came up with the stupid name change idea, couldn’t accept the fans didn’t like the idea and said anyone disagreeing with them was a hooligan and could die when they wanted, They didn’t improve the relationship by stating that the fans were irrelevant. That may have been the case whilst they were receiving the PL riches but they are now finding that isn’t the case and are laughably building bridges and trying to reach out to fans they have driven away.
The fact is if they had said, sorry, the money has run out and we can’t carry on pumping money into the club, but you, the fans are the most important thing and we hope your valuable support will continue whilst we try to find a buyer at a reasonable price, a lot of fans not going now would have said “Fair enough, you saved the club when no one else was interested so we will continue to do our bit by putting money in through the turnstiles”.

And the name change idea came about after the falling out with Hull City Council. Hull City Football Club/Hull City Council. Gedditt ?
They probably thought the fans would come down on the side of the football club's owners in the row with the council. But they didn't.

 

[Barchullona]

Man City gave Bury free use of all their training facilities (which are the best in the country) and Man United offered to loan them players to get through this season.

These clubs keep getting slated online for doing nothing, when in fact both offered their help.

Real Madrid offered Man Utd the loan of Alfredo di Stefan for a season after the Munich air crash. The FA, as forward thinking as ever, blocked it on the grounds it would hold back the development of a home grown player. No thoughts as to how playing with one of the greatest players of all time, the finest Bobby Charlton said he ever played against, would have helped the development of all those he played with.

 

[Barchullona]

And the name change idea came about after the falling out with Hull City Council. Hull City Football Club/Hull City Council. Gedditt ?
They probably thought the fans would come down on the side of the football club's owners in the row with the council. But they didn't.

Agreed. It was a petty, truculent move though. Same as no open top bus. But it was their attitude and approach to the fans which alienated the fans not vice versa. The sad thing is it could have all been so different.
The vast majority of fans would never been happy with the name change. A few would have been happy with whatever we were called and could have played in tutus with pink shirts with yellow blobs on as long as it was in the PL and they could sit and gaze with rapture on Stevie G and Wazza whilst being unconcerned much about City, insisting people sit down and keep quite so as not to intrude on their hero worship.

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

Real Madrid offered Man Utd the loan of Alfredo di Stefan for a season after the Munich air crash. The FA, as forward thinking as ever, blocked it on the grounds it would hold back the development of a home grown player. No thoughts as to how playing with one of the greatest players of all time, the finest Bobby Charlton said he ever played against, would have helped the development of all those he played with.

I’d like to believe it, any link?

 

[Newland Tiger]

No reply to my post chazz ? What makes you think the Allams listened to fans in any meaningful way ?
They have never cared about what the fans wanted unless it was something they would do anyway

 

[Barchullona]

I’d like to believe it, any link?

I would have thought my stating it happened was sufficient. Perhaps I should have ended my post with FACT?

Anyway, here is an article about it. Shows Real Madrid wasn’t always the arrogant set they are now. They were going for a third successive title when they made the loan offer. I am old enough to vaguely recall the help Real gave Utd.
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...united-after-munich-air-disaster-8492422.html

 

[Mr Hatem]

Perhaps I should have ended my post with FACT?laugh

Of course. You know the rules.

 

[originallambrettaman]

Real Madrid offered Man Utd the loan of Alfredo di Stefan for a season after the Munich air crash. The FA, as forward thinking as ever, blocked it on the grounds it would hold back the development of a home grown player. No thoughts as to how playing with one of the greatest players of all time, the finest Bobby Charlton said he ever played against, would have helped the development of all those he played with.

Nice story, but nothing to do with what I'd posted.

 

[Barchullona]

Nice story, but nothing to do with what I'd posted.

It was to do with clubs helping other clubs.

 

[cheshireles]

EFL, Have you got a quid? Yes! Then it's yours! End of test!

I thought I was joking, apparently not! It's being reported that when Dale acquired Bury, the EFL did not do their normal checks as the club was already at risk! It's also been highlighted that reference the companies previously involving Dale, a total of 51, 43 of them have been liquidated!

 

[NYC tiger]

I thought I was joking, apparently not! It's being reported that when Dale acquired Bury, the EFL did not do their normal checks as the club was already at risk! It's also been highlighted that reference the companies previously involving Dale, a total of 51, 43 of them have been liquidated!

I didn’t think you were joking, as that is how quite a few clubs change hands. (Just in case, the legal requirement is purchase and consideration, no matter how little the consideration is, hence a quid.)

EFL are directly responsible for this. Fit and proper is bollocks. They allowed a serial asset stripper to waltz in without recourse. He may be in for fraud too as the CVA is slanted towards his daughters partner who may receive £1.7m for a £70k debt!

For the EFL to close it down is akin to shoving the dirt under the rug. An answer is to let it go, let new owners come in and recommence the fixture, **** Steve Dale. Some of the terms could be they make payments to the many local suppliers and staff who have been shafted.

Time something was done at EFL level

 

[Charon]

And the name change idea came about after the falling out with Hull City Council. Hull City Football Club/Hull City Council. Gedditt ?
They probably thought the fans would come down on the side of the football club's owners in the row with the council. But they didn't.

I know this sounds ridiculous but I honestly believe the name change idea came as a result of him being outbid for his HU11 CTY number plate , he was determined to get it but another guy won - I attended the auction as I was hoping to get the plate myself, it went for over £40k with commission so I fell a bit short in the end - he stated that he wanted to save it for the city and for Hull City football club - less than 3 months later he came up with the name change because City was boring and the rest is history - for me it was vindictiveness because he didn't get his own way

 

[look_back_in_amber]

I say that financial pressures and supporter relations stopped investment, what is wrong with that. Its a simple fact.
The detail, is a matter of public record and has been debated on here countless times. The Allams did not stop investing because there was no profit in running a football club, they believe/believed that they could run a club profitably if the supporters would allow them to do it their way. This changed in 2014 when they announced that no more money would be put in. Way after the protests, but only shortly after the group profits fell.
Its a simple statement, not pro or anti Allam.

The phrase that you use 'supporter relations' hides behind the deplorable actions of the Allam's, and you appear to be the only poster that needs this confirming to you. Well done, now take your head out of the sand as diplomacy is clearly not your strong point.

 

[The Omega Man]

The phrase that you use 'supporter relations' hides behind the deplorable actions of the Allam's, and you appear to be the only poster that needs this confirming to you. Well done, now take your head out of the sand as diplomacy is clearly not your strong point.

I replied to the following, saying that the poster nearly got it right. Investment stopped because of two things, the group finances and supporter relations. Take what I posted out of context if you like, but in relation to the post I replied to there was and is nothing else to add. Investment stopped in 2014 after the FA appeal was lost and after Allamhouse had poor results. The Allams always wanted their money back, but prior to 2014 they invested money in the club to achieve it. That’s why I said “nearly”. Today we are not recovering from that period, we are suffering from a lack of interest and investment from the owners, who directly state that supporters are to blame. We are actually still recovering from the Duffen/Bartlett age, the time when we nearly went bust again and that led to the current regime and the discontent.

“after all that investment we got relegated and they weren't prepared to get into any more debt, they wanted their money back - they learnt that pumpingmoney into something in football doesn't guarantee success and unfortunately that's where we are today, still recovering fromthe financial mess caused by that season - atleast the debts coming down and at least we're not in the same position as Bury and Bolton”

 

[originallambrettaman]

Sky Sports News @SkySportsNews
BREAKING: An international consortium has told Sky Sports News they have £7m in the bank to enable the sale of Bury FC & are pleading with the EFL to rescind their expulsion.

 

[City Man]

I replied to the following, saying that the poster nearly got it right. Investment stopped because of two things, the group finances and supporter relations. Take what I posted out of context if you like, but in relation to the post I replied to there was and is nothing else to add. Investment stopped in 2014 after the FA appeal was lost and after Allamhouse had poor results. The Allams always wanted their money back, but prior to 2014 they invested money in the club to achieve it. That’s why I said “nearly”. Today we are not recovering from that period, we are suffering from a lack of interest and investment from the owners, who directly state that supporters are to blame. We are actually still recovering from the Duffen/Bartlett age, the time when we nearly went bust again and that led to the current regime and the discontent.

“after all that investment we got relegated and they weren't prepared to get into any more debt, they wanted their money back - they learnt that pumpingmoney into something in football doesn't guarantee success and unfortunately that's where we are today, still recovering fromthe financial mess caused by that season - atleast the debts coming down and at least we're not in the same position as Bury and Bolton”

Can't argue with any of this.

 

[City Man]

I know this sounds ridiculous but I honestly believe the name change idea came as a result of him being outbid for his HU11 CTY number plate , he was determined to get it but another guy won - I attended the auction as I was hoping to get the plate myself, it went for over £40k with commission so I fell a bit short in the end - he stated that he wanted to save it for the city and for Hull City football club - less than 3 months later he came up with the name change because City was boring and the rest is history - for me it was vindictiveness because he didn't get his own way

Could have been worse.

He could have tried to change the name to SH76VMP or summat if he just wanted to add value to his car reg.

 

[cheshireles]

Sky Sports News @SkySportsNews
BREAKING: An international consortium has told Sky Sports News they have £7m in the bank to enable the sale of Bury FC & are pleading with the EFL to rescind their expulsion.

Begs why have they not stepped forward before now?

Then again the EFL based on their approach recently, may allow 72 hours for DD, which is a joke in itself and makes any potential offer unworkable. That said the EFL have to rescind their decision which I feel is unlikely.

I also feel at face value (the cynic in me) that the approach by C&N was a plausible process to raise their own profile given they operate in the sector