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davecg69 said:
It’s enough to make you weep ...... where can I move to by October 31?

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It's an odd world.


SIR HUMPHREY: Mr Johnson, we have the EU on the phone.

JOHNSON: Oi, Frogs, we will only start negotiations if you give us exactly what we want before they start.

EU: Interesting take on the word "negotiations". We'd have thought, being British, that you'd understand the meaning of the word but... OK. Speak later.

JOHNSON: Why are you so unwilling to give us what we want out of negotiations before the negotiations so we can start negotiations?

PHONE: Click... bzzzz....

JOHNSON: Jesus, they are so unreasonable.
 
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Farked19 said:
It's just that having lost half the Remainer vote to the LD's, mine included btw, he is heading for a drubbing at the next GE. I'm not necessarily against many of his policies but I do believe he is on course to wreck the party that I have worked for at every election since 1959.
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If you’re not against his policies why don’t you support your democratically elected leader?

Is it not the MPs who don’t support their democratically elected leader who are on course to wrecking the party?

I find Corbyn’s position on the EU problematic too. But it is in no way a hidden agenda it is an accepted view amongst some of the left. I believe it is idealistic an that the whole party should unite behind Corbyn AND try and change the party’s position on Brexit to be a clear and unambiguous policy on a 2nd referendum.

The party has always struggled with unity as it is a broad church and struggles to be pragmatic to achieve the one thing that should always be their priority ... getting elected.

Our most successful attempt to do this recently was obviously under Blair. A difficult time! (I won’t mention the war) but we actually had the most left leaning govt of my adult life and I find that far more preferable to the pseudo-feudal system I am subjected to by this lot of old Etonian hoorays
 
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I won't support him because I believe that he basically quite a stupid guy. Failing to change your stance in relation to a different world isn't at all clever. He still believes it is 1968 and we are storming the US embassy. To think that was in response to LBJ and now we have Trump! Due to the one member one vote policy lots of Tories joined for three quid and voted Corbyn in. But I agree that overall Labour in 1997-2010 was a left of centre government. Things went wrong, principally the war, but for F**** Sake The Tories supported getting rid of Gaddafi in favour of a load of twats riding around in Toyota pick ups with machine guns, that was far more stupid. Corbyn still won't declare a Brexit policy and talks about a Labour Brexit. I'm staying with the LD's, I don't agree with all their policies but at least I know where they stand.
 
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Vin
 
Post#18685 Indeed not Vin. It's something to be acutely aware of. The small far right groups in this country are getting themselves organised, and I would not be surprised in the slightest if it was proven that the catalyst for this came from the odd few billionaires to fund this stuff and who wish to have the world move even further in their direction. Intimidation and Violence, says Owen Jones, will not work. But it most certainly will if we let it. Letting Brexit happen, for example, is just another step in the direction to make the ordinary people worse off and the billionaires' lives even easier.
 
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benditlikeabanana said:
two way street
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Not really, no. It’s not a street at all. Everyone here is fully aware of the things that Trump has said and done. Like I said before, the problem is not lack of information or misinformation.

There’s no need for anyone to regurgitate every incident of Trump saying something controversial because the facts are not in dispute. The difference is that you fundamentally believe the things Trump says are true.

It’s not a miscommunication. Both sides are getting the gist of what Trump says and does. Both sides are hearing the underlying message.

You think that it’s wrong to call Trump racist, because one cannot be racist if they are simply telling the truth. I think what makes Trump and his followers racist is the very fact they believe those things to be true in the first place.
 
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I am not defending anything that may have happened here, but without police incident report and photos how do you know this is not just another Smollet. Also this idiot endorsed punch a nazi, when he has never seen a nazi and pretty sure they are rarer than chicken teeth. Maybe some guys have started smack a communist, so that sounds fair, if you support violence against some you must expect to receive violence. A couple of punches and a kick does not sound like a hate attack, it sounds like words were said between two drunk groups at kicking out time
 
Archers Road said:
Daft isn’t it?

He’s leader of Her Majesty’s opposition, why should he step aside when his intention as head of an interim government is to revoke A50 and immediately call a General Election?

Jo Swinson is the one putting personal and party ambition before the National Interest, not Corbyn. Woman’s a fraud.
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Don’t get me wrong.
I don’t think that he should have to step aside and you are quite right that he should put himself forward to lead an interim government, as is his right as the leader of the opposition. I am just saying that those who want to stop a no deal Brexit need to be looking at the bigger picture and should that mean Corbyn taking a back seat, in this instance, then so be it. It could actually help him win back support, because he can use the fact that the Lib Dems won’t support him, thus trying to destroy the chance of stopping Brexit, against them at the next election. He would have the moral high ground, and could put it in all the election material.
My only concern, at this moment, is that the vote of no confidence is successful and that Brexit of any kind is blocked.
Corbyn wants a general election and needs to get it anyway he can.
 
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benditlikeabanana said:
I am not defending anything that may have happened here, but without police incident report and photos how do you know this is not just another Smollet. Also this idiot endorsed punch a nazi, when he has never seen a nazi and pretty sure they are rarer than chicken teeth. Maybe some guys have started smack a communist, so that sounds fair, if you support violence against some you must expect to receive violence. A couple of punches and a kick does not sound like a hate attack, it sounds like words were said between two drunk groups at kicking out time
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Oh just **** off.
 
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I Sorry I Ruined The Party said:
Not really, no. It’s not a street at all. Everyone here is fully aware of the things that Trump has said and done. Like I said before, the problem is not lack of information or misinformation.

You don’t believe the things that Trump says are racist because you believe them to be true.
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many have said that Jeremy Corbyn is anti semitic and a therefor a racist, so that would also make the Labour Party and Labour supporters Racist bigots as well, got it, so are you a racist bigot
 
Banana, since you're online and posting, I just thought I'd remind you that you haven't answered this yet:

benditlikeabanana said:
My opinion is that Trump can not resist attacking anyone that attacks him, people will see the headlines once they have been sliced and diced by the press. People nowadays only read the headlines of a story or they read totally biased Twitter reports. Trump takes a swipe at the squad, and the press goes into meltdown, it's Trump playing the press, they report that Trump attacks 4 women of colour, yet Trump attacks them because they were attacking him, also to keep them as front and center as the extreme left face of the party, and also because biden, trumps main contender had a rally that night where he would outline his welfare policy, yet this was not covered by the press because they were dancing to trumps tune and reporting only on his racist attack on the squad.
In brief, Trump can be called many things and I would not disagree with you, but I think Trump would attack anyone the same regardless of race or sex, which is why I do not see him as racist
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Oh, for heaven's sake. Yes, of course he can react to attacks. But telling four women (who happen not to be white) the following [EXACT QUOTE, COPIED AND PASTED FROM HIS TWITTER FEED]:

"So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......
....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....
....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!"

is racist. Nothing less. Three of them "originally came from countries" that are...er... the United States. He's literally calling them foreign because their skin colour is different from his. Tell me why telling people who are not white but are American citizens to "go home" [to another country] is NOT racist.

I know you'd eat a plate of **** if you were told it came from Donald Trump's arsehole so I don't expect agreement but on this you're plain wrong.

Vin
 
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benditlikeabanana said:
I am not defending anything that may have happened here, but without police incident report and photos how do you know this is not just another Smollet. Also this idiot endorsed punch a nazi, when he has never seen a nazi and pretty sure they are rarer than chicken teeth. Maybe some guys have started smack a communist, so that sounds fair, if you support violence against some you must expect to receive violence. A couple of punches and a kick does not sound like a hate attack, it sounds like words were said between two drunk groups at kicking out time
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I was waiting for that stock cut and paste reply totally predictable given the Trumpette nonsense you've spouted. Where's the Owen Jones statement you say he made? You really should back up your argument with verifiable facts or better just **** right off.
 
Onionman said:
Banana, since you're online and posting, I just thought I'd remind you that you haven't answered this yet:



Oh, for heaven's sake. Yes, of course he can react to attacks. But telling four women (who happen not to be white) the following [EXACT QUOTE, COPIED AND PASTED FROM HIS TWITTER FEED]:

"So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......
....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....
....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!"

is racist. Nothing less. Three of them "originally came from countries" that are...er... the United States. He's literally calling them foreign because their skin colour is different from his. Tell me why telling people who are not white but are American citizens to "go home" [to another country] is NOT racist.

I know you'd eat a plate of **** if you were told it came from Donald Trump's arsehole so I don't expect agreement but on this you're plain wrong.

Vin
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Read the words, go back and fix the places they are from (which is open to debate if this means the districts or the countries their parents or grand parents were from, badly worded) fix them and then come back and show us how to fix the whole country. A racist would have just said go back and don't come back.
 
benditlikeabanana said:
Read the words, go back and fix the places they are from (which is open to debate if this means the districts or the countries their parents or grand parents were from, badly worded) fix them and then come back and show us how to fix the whole country. A person even more racist than Trump would have just said go back and don't come back.
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Oh do **** off, Timmy.

Where are their parents or grandparents mentioned? I've also corrected the last sentence.
 
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