Equally going to restaurant B we will never know what restaurant A was like, it may, like my first example, have been delicious and been the best meal we ever had. There is nothing stopping us going to restaurant B later either , no restaurant once it’s drawn you in will stop you having the main course and even sweet if you want it, after all they are a restaurant and would rather you eat at their establishment than go somewhere else to eat.The problem with that analogy, is that in truth, going to restaurant A and then deciding we don't like it, would mean we can never go to restaurant B and enjoy it at it's maximum. It would mean going there in the future and only having a starter.
Off Topic So, what now?
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Im sure whatever we decide Germany will still want to sell us their cars, France will still want to fund our electricity and the rest of Europe will still want to supply our switches, Russia , which if I’m not mistaken isn’t in the EU , will still want to supply our gas. All of them will want to sell us these things with , as little, or no tariffs , to keep their products as competitive as possible, so we won’t look further afield to find these products.
Cracking answer and true, a lot of us have suffered from project fear and think if we (Crash off the cliff) in fact step off of the kerb instead of kicking the can down the road, every nation in the world can still trade with us, including Europe under WTO trading rules, we don't want it, we prefer a deal but if it's not to our advantage we can suit ourselves.
Every product we buy from the EU we can substitute from other sources, we just have to get off of our asses, be independent and get on with it, the world does not revolve around 27 countries of the EU.
We have been betrayed, our votes have been stolen, the remainers in parliament have stictched us up, Corbyn and his cronies are spineless, 2 faced, self seeking, despicable liars, the Tories are contolled by cliques of selfish interest and change direction every time the wind blows.
I detest this bunch of modern career politicians who only have self interest at heart, selfish, conceited people, left or right, they are a bunch of egotists, we don't need them, children could do a better job.
They play in the euros
I hope you’re correct with the statement of wanting to supply us, but in reality me or you can’t be certain of it. We can only hope that they still do and if they do they do it at a rate we can all afford to.
The one thing I have found is the arrogance of the British people believing that without us the euro will collapse and everyone will come begging to us. But what is it we’ve actually got in this country to offer the world?
When my vote, along with Wedgie, lost to enter the Common Market in the mid 70's I accepted democracy.
We lost but got on with it.
Remainers should take note.
We lost but got on with it.
Remainers should take note.
Australia compete in Eurovision, but they ain’t in the EUThey play in the euros
I hope you’re correct with the statement of wanting to supply us, but in reality me or you can’t be certain of it. We can only hope that they still do and if they do they do it at a rate we can all afford to.
The one thing I have found is the arrogance of the British people believing that without us the euro will collapse and everyone will come begging to us. But what is it we’ve actually got in this country to offer the world?
Do you really believe Germany , France and any other EU country won’t want to sell their products to anyone that wants to buy them , we buy a lot of their products already , they won’t want to lose our custom, it’s not that we are anything special, just that we buy stuff from them, of course they will want to continue to sell their products to us , it’s called business, it’s Capitalism, like it or not, it makes the world go around.
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Australia compete in Eurovision, but they ain’t in the EU
Do you really believe Germany , France and any other EU country won’t want to sell their products to anyone that wants to buy them , we buy a lot of their products already , they won’t want to lose our custom, it’s not that we are anything special, just that we buy stuff from them, of course they will want to continue to sell their products to us , it’s called business, it’s Capitalism, like it or not, it makes the world go around.
Here’s hoping it continues. But what is it we’ve got to offer other than money? If it’s money then how many are getting payrises to inflation? How many kids have got 30-50k deposit to get on the property ladder? You’ve only to go back 25 years when you only needed about 3-4K. Houses through the roof wages lagging so far behind. Money will unfortunately run out in years to come.
What I am going to say below is not aimed at anyone!!
What hasn’t sat well with me and let’s be honest here how many of the 52% voted out on immigration believing they would be deported as soon as it was concluded?
I know it can be spun different ways as I’ve seen recordings of stupid comments like they were scared they couldn’t go on holiday by the remain voters. But I bet the ratio of stupidness to people all for deportation is probably lower
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Wiz and AshtonRed, your posts allude to the fact that Europe will 'still want to trade with us', as if project fear has been saying that's wrong. It's not wrong, it's absolutely right, of course they want to trade with us just like we want to trade with them.
The problem is that with no deal, everything becomes much harder. Buying and selling things automatically becomes more expensive because of tariffs, so demand will 100% weaken (not project fear, just basic logic). Standards will almost certainly fall when trading with big non-EU countries as we have to adopt their lower standards.
The point isn't that they won't want to trade with us. The point is that it will be far more difficult to trade with us. And it is going to hit us. If you just dismiss it as project fear, then you're speaking on emotion rather than looking at the logical evidence.
This is a map of trading blocs around the world. They do it because it makes trade easier and more prosperous. If trading blocs made trade worse, then why would countries do it? A decline in the economy is absolutely inevitable, not project fear. It's just a case of how much.
The problem is that with no deal, everything becomes much harder. Buying and selling things automatically becomes more expensive because of tariffs, so demand will 100% weaken (not project fear, just basic logic). Standards will almost certainly fall when trading with big non-EU countries as we have to adopt their lower standards.
The point isn't that they won't want to trade with us. The point is that it will be far more difficult to trade with us. And it is going to hit us. If you just dismiss it as project fear, then you're speaking on emotion rather than looking at the logical evidence.
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This is a map of trading blocs around the world. They do it because it makes trade easier and more prosperous. If trading blocs made trade worse, then why would countries do it? A decline in the economy is absolutely inevitable, not project fear. It's just a case of how much.
Agree high cost of housing , wages not keeping up etc. As you rightly say this has got a lot worse in the last 25 years, years we have been in the EU, whilst we need to address these things staying in the EU is not going to fix it.
The discussion about the pros and cons of leaving or staying are now irrelevant, they’ve been had, we’ve voted on them and a decision made. What is absolutely relevant now in ensuring democracy runs its course, you can’t pick and choose which democratic decisions are act upon you have to act on them all or else there is no point voting at all.
The discussion about the pros and cons of leaving or staying are now irrelevant, they’ve been had, we’ve voted on them and a decision made. What is absolutely relevant now in ensuring democracy runs its course, you can’t pick and choose which democratic decisions are act upon you have to act on them all or else there is no point voting at all.
The trading blocs you evidence are all in close proximity to each other , of course it’s easier to trade with your near neighbour, we won’t be towing our island away from the rest of Europe, they will still be our neighborurs and as previously explained still eager to do business with us.
We will however be able to create new trading deals with other countries if we so wish. If we could stay in the EU and be allowed this option that would be better, however the rules of that club , don’t , and won’t ever , any time soon , allow it.
We will however be able to create new trading deals with other countries if we so wish. If we could stay in the EU and be allowed this option that would be better, however the rules of that club , don’t , and won’t ever , any time soon , allow it.
I agree, I don’t want another referendum. I believe that it’s done and should be honoured.
Saying about house prices whilst in the EU is like saying my failed first marriage is EU fault as that happened whilst in the EU.
You’ve still not given an answer on what is it we’ve got to trade?
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I think this is a fabulous map and it demonstrates,highlights how puny, small the EU is compared with the rest of the world, I wish the scales would drop off of the eyes of these brainwashed remainers, look at the opportunities illustrated there, we are the 5th biggest market out there on our little island, think what we could do if we all got together and took advantage of the new areas.
We should shake off the old ideas of a supreme Europe, escape the control of old worn out thinkers like the Buffers in Brussels, Corbyn, Cable and Blackford, unleash the young thinking, global aware, young people of our own nations, god what a future we could have if we just had the confidence to shake off the shackles of old European bias and become an independent trading nation, trading internationally with all of the world, it's there waiting for us to sieze, if we stopped feeling sorry for ourselves and had the right leaders to get on with the job.
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Your marriage and the EU aren’t linked , the economy and being a part of the EU is. It’s why the remainers are afraid of leaving because they believe leaving will have a detrimental effect on the economy.
When you say what have we got to trade , we don’t have a state sector , that was got rid of years ago.
And the same to you. What is it we’ve got to trade?
As for saying “I wish the scales would drop of the eyes of the remainers” what a grown up rational thought.
I hope you’re correct, I just don’t think we are the all singing all dancing country we was when we built the empire. Time will tell, and hopefully you’re more right than me.
Scales dropping from eyes ~ https://english.stackexchange.com/q...llen-from-my-eyes-why-did-they-use-the-word-s
Tusk/Macron won't do it but I can live in hope that they tell us after their 10/4 summit, sorry, it has to be no deal.
However my hope will be in vain as next week our 'remaining' MPs will blink first and sell democracy down the river.
Then all remainers, including reluctant ones, will be happy knowing that voting means absolutely FA.
Anyway - City are a fraction short of 5-1 to win today - I'm tempted.
However my hope will be in vain as next week our 'remaining' MPs will blink first and sell democracy down the river.
Then all remainers, including reluctant ones, will be happy knowing that voting means absolutely FA.
Anyway - City are a fraction short of 5-1 to win today - I'm tempted.
