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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    Make sure he doesn't read any of the crap I write on here and then use it in an exam. <yikes>
     
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    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    I can even answer this one as I heard it explained on the radio. :smiley-finger007: Although it was from a Brexiteer.
     
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    Another death in East Dulwich about 3 miles away from me last night, throat slashed outside an off licence. Often these can start as something very trivial and end horrifically. If we wait for politicians to try and end it we'll be waiting far too long...
     
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  4. It's already being prepared by the EU Stan - basically emergency amendments to regulations on issues like trade, animal health and fisheries to allow for some things to continue with minimum disruption. On our side there's the 6 or 7 Brexit bills which are all in varying stages of the parliamentary process and most would be used for certain situations in a no deal scenario. We just need all MPs to behave like grown ups so don't hold your breath just yet.
     
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    According to the Sunday Express, Brussels has said talks for mnd have started. No details yet but it would involve the EU and UK working with WTO authorities to keep trade just as it is after March 29 on an interim basis. If another country complains, they would have to prove damage. Details of the talks are secret, so we await to hear more
     
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    Thanks lads, I genuinely didn’t know. Isn’t that very similar to extending Article 50? Sounds a bit like kicking the can down the road again to me, and as John Pienaar said on the wireless, the can is empty.
     
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    No, I think we leave the EU on 29 March with no payments made and no tariffs on trade, pending formal free trade agreement. And no backstop...
     
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    Without going down another rabbit hole, that would seem to be a strictly temporary arrangement. No way will we get a trade deal without some kind of Withdrawal Agreement, surely? What about citizens etc?
     
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  9. A lot of the stuff is to get us to the end of 2019 so we'd have to ramp up talks I guess. I only know about a specific part of it so couldn't really comment on the wider position - if I could I'd be in minority of one....
     
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    Yes, you're right, and Dan. It's temporary but presumably open ended. There will have to be agreements as to aeroplanes, citizens etc. I imagine status quo will be kept, but freedom of movement ended. Ireland border would stay soft pro tem. We'll have to wait until the media get broad hold of this, and even then exact details will be speculation
     
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    They were saying that they could extend to 5 years. I think it's part of article 24 of WTO to have a free trade deal and hope that in 2 to 5 years all will be sorted. I must admit I do like the sound of this because it answers the backstop question and keeps everything going but.... I believe will still hand over the money or at least some of it.
     
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    please log in to view this image
     
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    I like they way they have changed this cartoon around. I seem to remember it with us going over the edge.
     
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    There's been a large reduction in knife crime in Glasgow over recent years, largely due to the work of the Violence Reduction Unit, not a just a police idea, but an NHS one too, looking at knife crime as a public health issue as well as a policing issue.

    From murder capital of Europe to role model for London - BBC News https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-45572691
     
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    Sounds like you know what you're talking about Dan, which is rare on here. This is not a solution though, is it? Just delay.
     
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  17. It's delay for minimum disruption. You can see most of the planning documents on the Commision's website.
     
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    Have a look at Ben Garrison’s cartoons Ellers, a google image search will do it. He is an American ‘libertarian’ right wing variety, and the darling of the US alt right. He is also the darling of white supremacists, and he protests that many of his cartoons have been altered on line to make them anti black and especially anti Semitic. However, this one is genuine, so he might be protesting too much
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    I entirely support his right to draw cartoons and express his opinions on anything he likes. Personally I think a cartoonist who needs to patronise his audience by labelling everything either has no confidence in the intelligence of his readers or no confidence in his own drawing. But that’s just me.
     
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    There really should be an option to 'dislike' dumb posts such as this. Didn't they used to have that?
     
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    The only thing dumb Stroller is Abbott!. I wouldn't know where to begin with her. I don't think I have ever heard a politician as stupid as her. I couldn't care what party she represents, she is just ridiculously stupid.
     
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