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[ELLERS]

No, delivering Brexit (not in name only) is as essential to democracy as it is to Tory unity

He was trying to bend my words. I made it clear that this is not just about the tories.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Normally I would agree with this Goldie but I can see the EU caving in late on and there being a fudge.
She is in a crap position at the moment. She cannot P off the voters by not derlivering Brexit but will the MP's take over and force something else? There will not be a 'losers vote' but I see some half way house where less damage to all is the way. If she betrays Brexit it will not only kill the tories but democracy in this country.
I agree the best way forward now is to walk away with clause 24 and go for a free trade deal. This backstop crap will disappear when the UK starts getting stuff from elsewhere.

You may well be right, Ellers, but the only way we get them to fold on the backstop is to go for managed no deal. And seriously, not as a tactic, because we have to cover this base.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

You're kidding, right? He was a huge influence in the Brexit vote, not least because when UKIP got 4 million voters, it showed the writing on the wall for Tories.

I remember seeing a one to one debate with Clegg - Farage wiped the floor with him

He was influential in getting the vote in the first place. Anyone who sympathised with Farage was nailed on to vote Leave anyway. Cummings was the brains behind wooing undecided voters.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

I can't see a deal coming, so a managed no-deal is the best option.

THAT ISN’T A THING AAAAARGGGHHH

 

[Staines R's]

Which city Stainsey? I was a kind of casual observer at all of the England games, because I got my tickets through other routes, didn’t want to be herded in with the mob and spoke enough Italian to ease my way round the edges. The policing of the English fans at Italia 90 was a disgrace though, I’m surprised it didn’t kick off more. If it helps the policing of their own citizens wasn’t much better, I got tear gassed loads of times at AC Milan games.

The semis in Turin, G.
We had nowhere to stay when we got over there so all got herded into a disused stadium to use as a campsite for the night.
When Italy got knocked out the night before our match the Italians youths decided to come and have a go at us, backed up by the police giring tear gas grenades.
I was only a youngster myself at the time but was crazy seeing the English lads preparing petrol bombs to lob back.....no side was innocent

There was a travelog programme a few months later with some lad doing the whole tournement and I make a very brief appearance near the end, wondering around in the campsite with Pink Floyd playing and tear gas everywhere.....was a great trip

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

He was influential in getting the vote in the first place. Anyone who sympathised with Farage was nailed on to vote Leave anyway. Cummings was the brains behind wooing undecided voters.

Cummings was highly influential behind the scenes, agreed

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

THAT ISN’T A THING AAAAARGGGHHH

Steady, Watford. Remember the blood pressure...

 

[ELLERS]

You may well be right, Ellers, but the only way we get them to fold on the backstop is to go for managed no deal. And seriously, not as a tactic, because we have to cover this base.

We all know that the backstop was to weaponise the deal. Leo Aardvark has played a dangerous game and I am sure that once this is settled many will remember it, especially in a no deal.
I have listened to 3 EU ministers/MEP's this week and they are all singing from the same song sheet about being united blah blah blah. What I also noticed was the threats that they all said. All three were saying that after 29th March who says ships can dock/planes fly it will be very bad for the UK.... what they neglected to say was how bad it will be for them? If stuff doesn't get here on time we will buy from elsewhere. They can explain that to their exporters.

 

[ELLERS]

He was influential in getting the vote in the first place. Anyone who sympathised with Farage was nailed on to vote Leave anyway. Cummings was the brains behind wooing undecided voters.

You have been watching too many Benedict Cumberbatch shows.

 

[Stroller]

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No, delivering Brexit (not in name only) is as essential to democracy as it is to Tory unity

Old ground, I know.....

You're kidding, right? He was a huge influence in the Brexit vote, not least because when UKIP got 4 million voters, it showed the writing on the wall for Tories.

I remember seeing a one to one debate with Clegg - Farage wiped the floor with him

Farage consistently campaigned for a Norway-type arrangement.

Still Brexit and still democracy, even if the ERG loonies don't like it.

In fact, more democratic because it would respect the 48%.

 

[ELLERS]

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Old ground, I know.....



Farage consistently campaigned for a Norway-type arrangement.

Still Brexit and still democracy, even if the ERG loonies don't like it.

I think Farage was just worried about leaving and would take anything to get out. I even thought at one stage that Brexit was not going to plan. The whole thing has been swinging backwards and forwards although just recently especially after Cooper was defeated I believe we will leave on March 29th. (I hope so otherwise I will have to get Watford a drink)!
I will also add (and you can say it's just my rhetoric) I have noticed a lot of news of the UK preparing for a no deal.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

You have been watching too many Benedict Cumberbatch shows.

It was a very good show.

 

[ELLERS]

It was a very good show.

It was but I don't believe that Farage was p'd on top a car like they depicted. It was just for film effect. You know people will be studying this 2222 at universities in years to come?

 

[Turkish" Premier" Hoops]

He's in advertising, says it all...

Advertising, as in “MAD MEN” type of advertising holy cow, that’s ya answer then he’s feckin’ mad PMSL

 

[Turkish" Premier" Hoops]

It's relevant that there are moves to deselect Boles, Soubry and Grieve. Can't happen too soon. They should resign and join the Lib Dems

No they should resign and disappear back whence they came, after their behaviour I doubt if they are going to be able to get a job as traffic wardens.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

No they should resign and disappear back whence they came, after their behaviour I doubt if they are going to be able to get a job as traffic wardens.

What behaviour? Not joining the Brexit cult?

 

[Turkish" Premier" Hoops]

What behaviour? Not joining the Brexit cult?

No after going against the wishes of their constituents who voted leave, they forgot they are there to represent the people that voted them in, not their own ideals, but trust a remoaner to call Brexit a cult, still better a cult than a bunch of crybaby can’t accept democracy whining Fanny’s.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

No after going against the wishes of their constituents who voted leave, they forgot they are there to represent the people that voted them in, not their own ideals, but trust a remoaner to call Brexit a cult, still better a cult than a bunch of crybaby can’t accept democracy whining Fanny’s.

This is a parliamentary democracy. It’s you lot who can’t accept that that is the system we’ve had in place for centuries which takes precedent over a loosely worded referendum. If they were just there to blindly follow their constituents then even you could do it.

It’s a cult because people believe in it regardless of literally all evidence.

 

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[kiwiqpr]

This is a parliamentary democracy. It’s you lot who can’t accept that that is the system we’ve had in place for centuries which takes precedent over a loosely worded referendum. If they were just there to blindly follow their constituents then even you could do it.

It’s a cult because people believe in it regardless of literally all evidence.

maybe they should do their job and not hand over any important stuff to the great unwashed