I absolutely don't have a solution mate, but I'm not the one calling for it. Thing is I was under the impression you were advocating a no deal Brexit and therefore was hoping you might be able to come up with a solution. As it turns out I was wrong, so that's my fault. I know you say about it being legal, and no deal WILL happen, etc, but that doesn't make it possible. Which is exactly my point. It might be legally enshrined and fully expected from all sides, but unless you want to accept genuinely uncontrolled immigration/smuggling of goods, or instead have an Irish border, then it is physically and politically impossible. I know JGF, but this is my point. If we leave with no deal in March, there will be no hard border with the EU in Ireland. So your lanes would be completely irrelevant, people from all over Europe can fly into Ireland, and then literally walk into the UK with no checks whatsoever. That would send illegal immigration sky high. Which ironically is why some people voted Brexit.
Because I believe you’re an educated man who researched all this and spent the time to type all of this out for us. Please can you elobarate on number 17 please? Please no one else just RR, because he did spend his time writing this all by himself.
Is there freedom of movement now?, we still have to show our passport several times when flying out or when arriving in other countries including EU.... Challenging yes, impossible to sort? I don't think so, especially with the technology we have.. Personally, I think it's a bit of scaremongering!!
You clearly don't get what I'm talking about mate. After a no deal Brexit, let's suppose you're one of the 500,000,000 people with an EU passport. You don't have a visa to enter the UK. Therefore if you were to enter the UK it would be illegal. What is stopping you flying to Ireland and walking across the border into the UK?
It depends what you define as freedom of movement beyond a holiday. To spend more than 90 days in any 180 day period in the Schengen area or to work will be quite different
Yes but at the moment it's legal. After a no deal Brexit, it would be illegal, as European citizens would no longer have the right to enter our country freely. That means 500,000,000 people, who are not allowed to enter our country, with a free border to walk across and smuggle anything they like into the country with zero checks. What we have done in trying to take control of our borders, is actually (if we have no deal) open it up to everybody.
No we wouldn't have any control. At the moment to illegally enter our country you have to go via Calais, or have a dangerous trip across the sea. In a no deal scenario, all you would have to do to illegally enter our country is walk across the Irish/Northern Irish border. You're then free to go wherever you like in the United Kingdom. If you have a substance allowed in the EU but banned in the UK, it doesn't matter. We wouldn't be able to check. If you're allowed in the EU but banned from the UK it doesn't matter, we wouldn't be able to stop you. This is why no deal is impossible to implement, unless you want illegal immigration to absolutely skyrocket.
Nothing is impossible, that is a remainers clarion call, I would not want Jackboots, steel helmets and machine gun watchtowers every half mile but I think the light touch manning and new technology approach which has been suggested is good, enough goodwill and mutual, responsible coordination on both sides would suffice. Project fear is a busted flush, nobody of any sanity believes it.
I'm not here to debate it mate, it descended into arguments last time, partly my fault I know, so I'm not looking for arguments or anything. Just here to point out this fact that's all! It's not project fear to point out that in a no deal scenario, anyone can walk into the country and they can bring anything they like. That's not project fear at all mate, that's total fact. And I'm not going to just assume we have the technology to deal with it because in reality none of us know. All of this stuff about lack of food, flights, etc. That's debatable so I'm happy to just ignore that. But the above about an unmanned border WILL happen in a no deal Brexit scenario. It's just whether we're happy to accept it or not.
It's just logistics mate, like I said, with technology of today, there would be a way of working it out......and who ever does will make a fortune!!
You guys are going to have to explain how you're going to stop hundreds of thousands of people and illegally entering and smuggling into the country via the Irish border, more than just 'belief' that we can sort it. Many people voted for Brexit because of immigration. If we were unable to deal with it properly in the EU at a border across the sea, what makes you think we can suddenly deal with it outside of the EU at a far easier border to cross with far more people?
They said, there would never be a united Germany when the wall was built but there is now..... Ireland is small enough and imagine there's not many routes in, I'm sure that can be dealt with........Not wanting to get into arguments but there are trickier things in this world that's been dealt with, i'm sure there is one for this......
There are more crossings on the Ireland/UK border than the ENTIRE European border mate... And what’s more tricky than stopping hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants wondering in across an unmanned border?
Population of Eire 2018 4,827,062, god help us by the way you are talking we will have roughly say 20% of Eire population sneaking in to our country in the first 6 months of our independence and we won't be able to anything about it, we will all be overwhelmed. ROB it's project fear, it's a nonsense and I'm sure you don't really believe that will happen.
Wiz, 500m people from the rest of the EU can travel into Eire legally via their EU passport. And then therefore into the UK. Correct or not?
I don’t think they will would be my answer, I think a solution will be found, yes some will as they do now but with the aid of technology, anything’s possible and just think it’s a way of changing the minds of the leavers..
Do you honestly think we are going through all of this troube to control 500m people from Europe entering our country legally or illegally, yet we are wanting to trade openly and freely with the rest of the planet that has a population of 7.7 billion, can you see that lot sneaking in as well. It's a nonsense, a remainer clarion call as already said and project fear
Well that's all well and good mate but you believing that doesn't make it possible. So if you don't mind 500m people being able to come into our country illegally, then I assume you would be happy to have a completely open border? Because that's essentially what you are saying.
