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The effect of the amendment would be to temporarily suspend the Commons standing orders that give the Government control over the timetable of the House. That would allow cross-party groups to pass laws of their own if they can command a majority.

Under the plan, a European Union Withdrawal Number 2 Bill would be voted on, which, if passed, would force the Government to delay the UK departure from the EU and seek a fresh soft-Brexit deal.

This is what you should be looking at, not stuck in a time warp of something that has been rejected by a huge margin.
 
oldfrenchhorn said:
The effect of the amendment would be to temporarily suspend the Commons standing orders that give the Government control over the timetable of the House. That would allow cross-party groups to pass laws of their own if they can command a majority.

Under the plan, a European Union Withdrawal Number 2 Bill would be voted on, which, if passed, would force the Government to delay the UK departure from the EU and seek a fresh soft-Brexit deal.

This is what you should be looking at, not stuck in a time warp of something that has been rejected by a huge margin.
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There is no need unless and until it supersedes the present law.
 
colognehornet said:
There is a World of difference between admiring somebody and actually advocating exactly the same system for your own country. You are presuming that Chavez was the epitome of a bad leader, and in order to counteract this I would have to start a whole text about Venezuala, which does not belong here - and so I refrain from doing it. I have heard so much criticism of the big bad Jeremy - about how he has met with this terrorist or the other. Do you imagine that it is possible to be in a peace keeping role, without meeting up with bad people ? UN officials do this the whole time - it is part and parcel of the job. As if I could be a broker for nuclear disarmament without meeting Kim Jung. Balance this against TM if you like - she has become wealthy through being married to somebody who made his millions out of manufacture of weapons. She is also quite happy to sell weapons to countries like Saudi Arabia, and consequently pose with their leaders. Yet Corbyn wants nothing other than peace in Northern Ireland and Palestine and is the scum of the earth as a result.
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If he was that honest a broker he would have also met with the Unionist community in Northern Ireland and with Israel and the Jewish communities, but he never did. When he shared a platform in Egypt with the Muslim Brotherhood and IS, did he take the opportunity to meet with leaders from the Coptic community in Egypt - a community that is being slaughtered week in and week out.
He only supports those of a similar political disposition and Chavez is the perfect example - at his funeral just 6 years ago he was extolling his virtues as a State Socialist leader to be admired. Venezuala is a basket case and the cause if totally rooted in the type of politics advanced by Chavez and the Comrade. Joe Stalin would be most impressed.
 
superhorns said:
No, Corbyn is the scum of the earth for his support for terrorists and semites.
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superhorns said:
No, Corbyn is the scum of the earth for his support for terrorists and semites.
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superhorns said:
I was obviously explaining the situation as it is. So far no amendment can stop a no deal exit. Ministers will resign either way, no big deal.
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Have we really come to the sorry stage that you are boasting of government's ability (or not) to by pass parliament ? To, in effect, push through something which neither has a majority in Westminster or amongst the population - Mussolini would have been proud of you ! If that is the case then Britain's democratic tradition is in tatters. Before there will be a hard Brexit there will be a General Strike in the UK, because the TUC is just as much against this as the opposition parties are. Your preferred plan would also place the UK. on the brink of breakup, because Scotland would not follow you on this road. Are you ready for all of this ?
 
wear_yellow said:
If he was that honest a broker he would have also met with the Unionist community in Northern Ireland and with Israel and the Jewish communities, but he never did. When he shared a platform in Egypt with the Muslim Brotherhood and IS, did he take the opportunity to meet with leaders from the Coptic community in Egypt - a community that is being slaughtered week in and week out.
He only supports those of a similar political disposition and Chavez is the perfect example - at his funeral just 6 years ago he was extolling his virtues as a State Socialist leader to be admired. Venezuala is a basket case and the cause if totally rooted in the type of politics advanced by Chavez and the Comrade. Joe Stalin would be most impressed.
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I think you will find that he has met with Unionists though it hasn't received the same media coverage.
 
colognehornet said:
Have we really come to the sorry stage that you are boasting of government's ability (or not) to by pass parliament ? To, in effect, push through something which neither has a majority in Westminster or amongst the population - Mussolini would have been proud of you ! If that is the case then Britain's democratic tradition is in tatters. Before there will be a hard Brexit there will be a General Strike in the UK, because the TUC is just as much against this as the opposition parties are. Your preferred plan would also place the UK. on the brink of breakup, because Scotland would not follow you on this road. Are you ready for all of this ?
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You fail to understand that parliament has already voted to set the governments course of action, either agree a deal or leave without a deal. There has been lots of remoaners predictions, all have failed so far.
 
It beggars belief the smearing that some on this thread do... Whatever we think about his actions or policies or party. Corbyn is not an evil man.. Why do certain people seek to portray him in this way.? Can yo not stick to debate without dismissive abuse?

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superhorns said:
May is doing her utmost to respect the referendum result. It is not in her brief to satisfy the demands of whinging remoaners who are trying to sabotage Brexit.
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I don't think you can call the DUP and your ERG mates remoaners. If they'd have accepted the deal it may have had an easier passage - Good grief even Ken Clark backed it....
 
colognehornet said:
I think you will find that he has met with Unionists though it hasn't received the same media coverage.
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The moment he says he would be prepared to give a cabal of MPs with terrorist links £1billion to help him form a government he will be fit to be Prime Minister - until then not so much <ok>
 
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wear_yellow said:
What Unionists? - not the ones holding the guns. Why do you think the DUP were saying they voted with the government to avoid a Corbyn government, he is despised by the Unionist community in NI.
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Because he has some accord with the views of the Irish Republican movement... Their views have probably as much standing as those of the unionists who were founded by British imperialism... This black and white good and bad approach to politics just increases divisiveness and ultimately conflict.. We need IMO a politics of consensus and middle ground...

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Because he has some accord with the views of the Irish Republican movement... Their views have probably as much standing as those of the unionists who were founded by British imperialism... This black and white good and bad approach to politics just increases divisiveness and ultimately conflict.. We need IMO a politics of consensus and middle ground...

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The middle ground occupied by the wishy washy Lib Dems was firmly rejected at the last election. Their anti Brexit main message fell on deaf ears.

Macron was elected in a fanfare for the middle ground in France, just look at the mess he has created.
 
superhorns said:
The middle ground occupied by the wishy washy Lib Dems was firmly rejected at the last election. Their anti Brexit main message fell on deaf ears.

Macron was elected in a fanfare for the middle ground in France, just look at the mess he has created.
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That is why we need strong government... Not what we have now

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The middle ground occupied by the wishy washy Lib Dems was firmly rejected at the last election. Their anti Brexit main message fell on deaf ears.

Macron was elected in a fanfare for the middle ground in France, just look at the mess he has created.
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You see the problem is SH. According to your little World the entire opposition benches are full of a party led by 'scum', a party led by a 'poison dwarf', and a party full of wishy washy losers (not to mention the scorn you have thrown in Vince Cable's direction) - the Greens are not on your radar yet. Your own party is half full of 'remoaners' and 'rebels', and I suspect that if TM delivers anything but your dream that she will also will be cast as some kind of devil. Everyone on here who disagrees with you is either short of understanding, or often a lot worse. The World, through the eyes of SH, is full of either goodies (a shrinking few of them) and baddies (now the majority). In fact you remind me of an Alsatian that I once knew <laugh>
 
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