Off Topic UK / EU Future

I reckon you are right Dan. This whole Brexit disaster will never win 100% support. Meanwhile the EU will continue and make amendments slowly as it progresses.

 

To be honest I could have lived with her deal. Thought it would have delivered some of what the other lot wanted without destroying the country. Ah well.

 

So to clarify.
Corbyn is insisting that a no deal scenario is taken off the table. But at the moment we do not have a deal so it is impossible as things stand that you can remove the no deal option because until there is a deal that is ratified by parliment that is all that is left. This coming from a man who thinks he can seriously become Prime Minister. Out of the frying pan into the fire?

 

On BBC2 is essential viewing to demonstrate just what Comrade Corbyn stands for - just 6 years ago he was at the funeral vowing to carry on with the socialist revolution

 

Yes Corbyn is the wrong man, in the wrong place, at the wrong time. Not my words but those of Cologne, but I do agree. You may have noticed that I described Corbyn tonight as a later day Micheal Foot, who was a disaster for the Labour Party. This doesn't however absolve the government from leading the country up a blind alley. As you get older short term memory fades as long term memory becomes clearer, and I can remember just how strongly w_y was promoting the fact that the UK was about to be overrun by Turks if we didn't vote to leave the EU. Turkey today is further from joining the EU than it was then, but it does show how as Boris was wrong, so is Corbyn.
The country is being led by a load of second rate politicians, some exceptions, who are more interested in keeping their seats than doing what is right for the country at large. To hell with the Union, they are of secondary concern to to the minority in government, supported by a load of very strange people.

 

You have often predicted the end of the Tories is nigh. For that to happen you will require Corbyn to have a brain transplant or him to be replaced by another candidate sanctioned by the Momentum group whose choice will undoubtedly be as extreme and as unpopular with the electorate as Corbyn or McDonnell.

 

I have had some very nice Merlot with my dinner tonight SH. I can only assume that you have been on some rough cider that has not been to good for you. I cannot for the life of me see how you can argue about a replacement for Corbyn, when you actually paid to try and replace the leader of your party. Has she suddenly become popular in your eyes?

 

I'm quite happy for the hapless Corbyn to remain in place, he is the Tories best asset. You require Corbyn to be replaced for your loose prediction of Labour gaining power to stand any chance. Momentum are ready to impose another far left candidate. Your head might be a little clearer if you laid off the Merlot a bit.

 

I'm sure you will be able to back up that claim with the posts where I stated that, otherwise retract it. I would never have stated that because it's clear that Turkey is years from joint the EU - but done worry, you will have Albania and Serbia joining first to get their noses in the trough. Will be interesting to see where the EU will get the cash to fund that, what with losing the UK contributions - looks like VAT will be rising again.
Probably best to stick to slagging off the UK.

 

You seem to forget that I do not support either of the current parties, and am not any more supportive of Momentum than I am of the ERG. At least Momentum have increased in huge numbers membership of the Labour Party, while you cannot say the same of the ERG.

 

Apart from your phantom new party you seem to support other big time losers such as Vince who? Cable and Macron in France. That says it all really.

 

The government only survived a vote of no confidence tonight because they had paid the DUP for their support. Maybe you believe that paying money over is the way to get what you want, but it doesn't seem to be be working for you. Maybe £25 is not enough.

 

If you knew more about politics you would realise the DUP would always support the Conservatives in a confidence motion to prevent a Labour government especially one that has senior members with a history of openly supporting the IRA.

 

Just to respond to your challenge before going on to more important things.
EU Subsidies to Cornwall amounted to 654 million pounds between 2007 and 2013. 592 million pounds were designated for the period 2014 up to 2020. I can, of course, list the projects which were funded - altogether over 30. Cornwall was classified as an assisted area - in this case the second poorest region of Northern Europe. Not hard to see why - in North Cornwall 42% of all employees earned below the minimum wage (in the south it was 39%) - this could well be because a high proportion of people there work in accommodation, agriculture or food sectors. This is an extreme, but the whole South West has lower wages than the rest of the UK, but the living costs are just as high, and house prices are forced up by second home buying. Towns like Penzance have been characterized by the county council as being plagued by poverty, drug misuse and homelessness. The picture of Penzance would also be true of other towns such as Truro, and, to a lesser degree towns in Somerset and Devon. In fact West Somerset has the lowest social mobility rating in the entire UK. Will the funding of projects in Cornwall end with Brexit ? Cornwall expects that this will be covered by Westminster government spending, but will it ? Not holding my breath on that one.

 

Simple mathematics suggests there will be a much greater financial facility to help regions like Cornwall when we stop sending large amounts to Brussels hoping for a small fraction to be retuned to the UK.

 

hmm , how much is that difference exactly ? can we trust a vicious money grabbing tory regime to be generous with distribution , the answer is absolutely NOT , oh and the money differential is about 5.6 billion , but that is a small price to pay for the potential prosperity that can be generated as opposed to so called WTO rules , which are a total rag bag that nobody adheres to !

 

Aha......I see the logic. So, those 'assisted areas' of Britain have to now rely on the generosity of the same system which led to them being classified as 'assisted areas' in the first place !

 

So these projects allowed the people of Cornwall to live did they? Perhaps all of those German tourists should spend a few more pounds when they visit.

 

The Labour Party needs a leader with the ideas of Corbyn or Foot but with the charisma of Blair and those qualities don't match up. How could they match up, because the whole ethos of left wing thinking is averse to the idea of personality politics. If Corbyn were actually honest about the EU it could go along the lines of ''Well, on the whole I'm not sure, but I think we should possibly stay in - at least for the moment'' - it is not a theme which grips him, and he would far rather be engrossed in bread and butter politics in 'normal' times. Then, maybe, you would see a different Corbyn. Like I said - the wrong person in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Brexit is a strange animal which has successfully united the far right and the far left - or how else could George Galloway, Arthur Scargill, Nigel Farage, Rees Mogg and the EDL all be in the same camp (at least on a temporary basis) - for the one camp the EU is a protectionist organization which prevents free trade and for the other it is a neo liberal camp which prevents real socialism. The EU is bound to be 'Centrist' in nature - how could an amalgamation of 27 countries be anything else ? But this organization has helped to turn both ex Fascist states such as Spain, Portugal and Greece on the one hand, and ex Soviet Block states on the other, into democracies within the lifetime of most of us on here.

 

It's fine cologne, once we leave the evil EU we will have £350M a week for the NHS, all science grants will be matched, all regional grants will be matched, all agricultural grants will be matched, all the agencies we're pulling out of will be replaced, all the new Border control guards will work for free and our unicorn exporting business will make us all infinitely rich!

There's no way the Tories will just use any cash left over (which won't be much when the economy is in tatters) to cut corporate tax and the tax on high earners whilst letting the poor rot. That's not their style...