Match Day Thread Nottingham Forest v Leeds Utd Match Thread

[Whitejock]

Though to mull over .....

Roberts as the Saiz replacement?

2 games now he's come on in that role, and tbh, has fitted in rather well.

Been played in midfield earlier this season, but on the wing, and my criticism of him was that he didn't have the discipline to stay wide. Kept creeping into the middle. Perhaps he was trying to tell us something then .....

 

[Jammy 07]

Pause it at exactly 3 seconds and you get this shot. I'd say red all day long.

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Thing is the ref didn't want to give out red cards but unfortunately where Phillips was concerned he left him with no alternative.

Let's not try to hide behind refereeing decisions as overall he had a decent game for championship level.

 

[milkyboy]

Saw glimpses of the wand.

Well he does wear loose shorts but can’t say I was looking too closely lee.

 

[lifecheshirewhite]

Thing is the ref didn't want to give out red cards but unfortunately where Phillips was concerned he left him with no alternative.

Let's not try to hide behind refereeing decisions as overall he had a decent game for championship level.

Should have said you knew him and he explained this to you,we just thought he was a ****.

 

[Jammy 07]

Though to mull over .....

Roberts as the Saiz replacement?

2 games now he's come on in that role, and tbh, has fitted in rather well.

Been played in midfield earlier this season, but on the wing, and my criticism of him was that he didn't have the discipline to stay wide. Kept creeping into the middle. Perhaps he was trying to tell us something then .....

Interesting thought WJ.

Out wide he's certainly behind Clarke and also Harrison who I thought had a decent first half albeit without the end product.

 

[milkyboy]

I’m going to stick up for foreshaw. Hey someone’s got to. Not been at his best recently, made some costly errors. Sometimes he’s just a bit too casual in possession. But he’s a good footballer. I Get the ‘slows it down’ criticisms, but I’ve also seen him driving the team forward when we’ve been chasing games this season.

We dominate teams because of our set up and style but it requires good midfielders and if we’re dominating possession and chances it isn’t because we’re carrying a midfielder.

 

[Jammy 07]

Should have said you knew him and he explained this to you,we just thought he was a ****.

If you're hoping for any bias in our favour then perhaps you should lower your expectations.

You of all people should be accustomed to that.

 

[lifecheshirewhite]

If you're hoping for any bias in our favour then perhaps you should lower your expectations.

You of all people should be accustomed to that.

No bias,it was a straight red,it's not his job to try and save on red cards,if he had done his job right we probably would have won,that doesn't excuse Philips,but poor officials cost us a goal and a 11 man Forest.**** happens but don't make excuses for their fook ups.

 

[milkyboy]

I like Roberts... also not sure where his best position is, but has a really good touch, good work ethic. No 10? Dunno if he has the vision and the experience for it, maybe he does... i’ll Leave that to mb.

 

[1964white]

Once again we dominate a game playing some lovely football, unfortunately our play was also littered with so many errors against a poor Forest team. After a joyous opening second-half period which sent the Leeds end into manic celebrations, at 1-2 I still felt Forest could stretch us & the possibility of tired legs kicking in may play a huge part on the outcome, sadly my fears came to fruition.

Positives

We played some lovely football.
Amazing comeback albeit the final result
Pablo Hernandez, we'd be lost without his quality
Jack Clarke our young star
The form of Alioski

Negatives

Phillips red card
Non-red card for the Forest defender who hauled Harrison down
Adam 'friggin' Forshaw howlers
Our defending
Ayling & Douglas very poor again
Roofe's missed one-on-one chances
No Halme or Davis used when leading 1-2 to see out the game
No game-changer on the bench, nothing unusual this season

Ratings

5 - Peacock-Farrell
4 - Ayling
6 - Jansson
1 - Phillips
3 - Douglas
2 - Forshaw
6 - Klich
7 - Hernandez (MOTM)
7 - Alioski
6 - Roofe
7 - Clarke
5 - Roberts

 

[Whitejock]

I like Roberts... also not sure where his best position is, but has a really good touch, good work ethic. No 10? Dunno if he has the vision and the experience for it, maybe he does... i’ll Leave that to mb.

Given the surprises Bielsa's given us so far, he could be our next 'keeper!

 

[Jammy 07]

No bias,it was a straight red,it's not his job to try and save on red cards,if he had done his job right we probably would have won,that doesn't excuse Philips,but poor officials cost us a goal and a 11 man Forest.**** happens but don't make excuses for their fook ups.

We would have all loved it to be red card as we'd probably have gone on to win the game.

Truth is it fell into the grey area of interpretation and referees shouldn't be handing out red cards unless there is certainty of mind. As I posted earlier VAR would almost certainly have advised the referee to take another look, probably resulting in the correct decision of a red card. Given how it looked at full speed, with covering players and the referees positioning I don't feel he could be certain so took the safe option of a yellow.

 

[lifecheshirewhite]

We would have all loved it to be red card as we'd probably have gone on to win the game.

Truth is it fell into the grey area of interpretation and referees shouldn't be handing out red cards unless there is certainty of mind. As I posted earlier VAR would almost certainly have advised the referee to take another look, probably resulting in the correct decision of a red card. Given how it looked at full speed, with covering players and the referees positioning I don't feel he could be certain so took the safe option of a yellow.

You must have a tv with different camera angles no grey area on mine,clean through with no defender going to get there.

 

[Whitejock]

Once again we dominate a game playing some lovely football, unfortunately our play was also littered with so many errors against a poor Forest team. After a joyous opening second-half period which sent the Leeds end into manic celebrations, at 1-2 I still felt Forest could stretch us & the possibility of tired legs kicking in may play a huge part on the outcome, sadly my fears came to fruition.

Positives

We played some lovely football.
Amazing comeback albeit the final result
Pablo Hernandez, we'd be lost without his quality
Jack Clarke our young star
The form of Alioski

Negatives

Phillips red card
Non-red card for the Forest defender who hauled Harrison down
Adam 'friggin' Forshaw howlers
Our defending
Ayling & Douglas very poor again
Roofe's missed one-on-one chances
No Halme or Davis used when leading 1-2 to see out the game
No game-changer on the bench, nothing unusual this season

Ratings

5 - Peacock-Farrell
4 - Ayling
6 - Jansson
1 - Phillips
3 - Douglas
2 - Forshaw
6 - Klich
7 - Hernandez (MOTM)
7 - Alioski
6 - Roofe
7 - Clarke
5 - Roberts

Bit harsh with some of the ratings, are you not? OK, the defence didn't exactly cover themselves in glory, but our attack scored 2 goals. Your ratings don't reflect that. Would your 'attack' ratings still be the same if we'd actually won 2-0?

 

[Whitejock]

We would have all loved it to be red card as we'd probably have gone on to win the game.

Truth is it fell into the grey area of interpretation and referees shouldn't be handing out red cards unless there is certainty of mind. As I posted earlier VAR would almost certainly have advised the referee to take another look, probably resulting in the correct decision of a red card. Given how it looked at full speed, with covering players and the referees positioning I don't feel he could be certain so took the safe option of a yellow.

There were no covering defenders. He had the opportunity to shoot from where he was, & they weren't in any way close. Definite red card as scoring opportunity prevented. No grey area whatsoever.

 

[ristac]

You must have a tv with different camera angles no grey area on mine,clean through with no defender going to get there.

Got to say, both myself and son-in-law jumped straight up cheering of an easy to give straight red, we were amazed at the ref pulling out a yellow

 

[Jammy 07]

There were no covering defenders. He had the opportunity to shoot from where he was, & they weren't in any way close. Definite red card as scoring opportunity prevented. No grey area whatsoever.

Trying to see it from the referees perspective in real time.

With the benefit of replays it was a certain red card.

 

[Whitejock]

Trying to see it from the referees perspective in real time.

With the benefit of replays it was a certain red card.

I am seeing it from his perspective! He's a professional in the football world & should know better. He also has an assistant to guide him, if need be. There's a simple decision-maker, and that is that at the point of impact, Harrison could have unleashed a shot. He was prevented from doing so. At best, the other defenders were as far up the park as he was, however they were several yards to his right. Now if these 'covering' defenders had legs 10 yards long, there might be an argument, but they haven't. Perhaps you need to look again & ask yourself what the 'covering' defenders would have been able to do at point of impact.

 

[lifecheshirewhite]

Trying to see it from the referees perspective in real time.

With the benefit of replays it was a certain red card.

Well don't try and see it from the refs perspective,that's all we fookin need,ref apologists

 

[esteponawhite]

We would have all loved it to be red card as we'd probably have gone on to win the game.

Truth is it fell into the grey area of interpretation and referees shouldn't be handing out red cards unless there is certainty of mind. As I posted earlier VAR would almost certainly have advised the referee to take another look, probably resulting in the correct decision of a red card. Given how it looked at full speed, with covering players and the referees positioning I don't feel he could be certain so took the safe option of a yellow.

VAR has no place in football
Leave the replay **** to tennis,egg chasing and other stop start sports.