The over-reaction to what was just a silly tweet has been pathetic in my view. What's worrying about it, though, is that some seem to want to use it as an excuse for 'telling 'em to ****-off', and leave without a deal. As if that massive act of self-harm would be worth it because it would also harm the EU.
I can't really follow the logic of that Goldie. Macron did not insult May personally, and Tusk's tweet was simply stupid, nothing more than that. As for 'insulting a whole nation' - how many of our politicians have made negative comments about Trump ? Were they, simultaneously, insulting the whole of the USA in the process ? I don't think it can be interpreted in that way. Leaders of countries do not always follow lines of etiquette when dealing with each other - Thatcher's relationship to Helmut Kohl was full of less than complementary behaviour on both sides.
On another note.. That Eurosceptic, jew problem, turn coating, mind changing terrorist loving Comrade Corbyn says he may support a second ferendum. Surely not! He has sat on the sidelines for 2 years saying noting (except about Jews) and now decides to change his mind? mmm I am glad he sticks by his principles.
It's more than just the tweet, it's the entire way our PM was treated so dis-respectively. As I said to Wats, I'm not surprised that you don't get it. I would much prefer a good deal for all concerned, but the intransigence from the EU from the very start has meant that there is very little chance of this. Our government has also been worse than useless, with no leadership whatsoever. The Chequers deal gave far too much ground imo and yet that still wasn't enough for them. So yes, I do believe that the time has come to tell them to **** off, unless they can come back with a proposal that doesn't completely **** us over.
You've got it all twisted as usual, Ellers. Corbyn and McDonnell have said that they will support a second referendum if the party membership want it. Democracy at work.
Common or garden politicians can say what they like, Cologne. So can the media. But government, in the form of the national leader and supporting diplomats and civil service have to be incredibly careful. When has the UK government put out a humiliating tweet about Trump in an attempt to be humorous and demean him?
Pathetic. As usual. Don't answer the questions - just resort to a soundbite. You're not a politician are you?
I think that we can agree that it was, at worst, a stupid mistake made by one individual, who may have simply been trying to introduce a bit of much needed humour into proceedings (Tusk that is), it misfired, but that is insufficient reason for the hardening of attitudes against the whole of the EU. There may be general irritation within the EU. establishment regarding the British position - how could there not be ? Britain is saying 'We want your trade but we don't want you'. 'We want unrestricted access to your markets, without paying a penny for it and, (as has been said before on here) we don't want you coming to us - we will decide who comes, when, and for how long' The EU. cannot support any idea which erects walls between people, and which restricts EU. citizens rights - and this includes restricting the rights of those Europe friendly Britons who want to remain. It is well known in the EU. that one half of Britain is imposing a judgement upon the other half and that, as a consequence, existing citizens rights will/may be curtailed as a result.
No not twisted Stoller. I just turned on TV a guy said Corbyn was up for a second referendum. If I am wrong of course I will admit I made a mistake. however... "Democracy at work". funny you say that because I seem to remember certain posters on here talking about principles of people and sticking by them...I also seem to remember a few posts on Corbyn. I will have to dig them out.
Corbyn doesn't personally support a new referendum, but will go along with the party membership if it's what they want.
Yes, it was a stupid mistake by Tusk. It does turn people here off the EU. The freedom of movement of EU workers is a red line for the UK. That's part of what people here voted on. Control over all immigration. The EU have made it plain they don't want Chequers. I accept that. But if they value trading with the UK (and remember the EU sells more to us, than we sell to them), they need to work with the UK to find a solution or it's WTO. The Norway option is out - it's a terrible deal where Norway pays large sums, has no say over rules and not control on immigration. Canada plus plus looks the best solution as it doesn't interfere with the Single Market. I hope May will adopt this before the Tory Conference.
Stroller I have now seen the news and looked at my first post and they basically mean the same. Although now I have heard the full story I can't see him doing it. He will do his usual noncommittal. And, I just noticed you mentioned 'democracy' Stroller you are the last person who should be using that word. You have not accepted the democratic vote and would crush democracy to stay in the EU.
So basically, in your opinion, the UK have got everything wrong and the EU have got everything right? The EU are totally democratic and supportive of all the member states? The EU aren't corrupt and their books are always signed off every year? The EU don't want ever closer political ties, along with their own army? The EU aren't basically run by Germany, with a little help from France? The EU isn't a protectionist club that will do anything to protect their undemocratic, elitist club? The EU aren't deliberately playing hard ball in the hope that we will cave in completely, have another vote (as they got the wrong result in the last one) or cancel the whole idea? The truth is that, our Country has been Euro-sceptic for as long as I can remember. We've always been split over this issue and I suspect that we always will be. Maybe in a few decade's time everyone will get the chance to re-join in a third referendum.
It’s a dangerous game he’s playing I feel...I think he’ll gets the backs up of many members (myself included) and disenfranchise many working class voters......I guess only time will tell.
