Match Day Thread Stoke v Hull City
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There's a picture on the OWS of the crowd. Like a real anorak, I counted them. There are approximately 250 on it. The other 200? Either the toilets were full or they had left before the photo was taken. Why couldn't we pay on the day?
Dust worselves down and go again.
A lot on here had a go at Slutsky for not 'sorting' the defending I am struggling to see any improvement at the moment.
Apparently no pay on the day as stoke city said no facilities to pay on the day i was there yesterday wasnt many of us.
It’s up to Stoke if they have pay on the gate or not, but they do it for Cup games, so they obviously do have the facility to do it.
Kane has spent most of his career playing at right back and Toral and Irvine are both midfielders, hardly being played out of position (only Lichaj is out of position at left back and even he’s regularly played there for Forest).
Every manager we have is criticised for playing people out of position. Surely at some point you have to wonder whether it's such a big deal, since every manager does it. Is it possible maybe that players are able to adaptable and play in various positions as appropriate, rather than just be assigned a 'correct' position at birth and never play anywhere else?
Apart from that, what do you think is holding the team back?
Another good piece from bucko
Hull City squad has neither the bodies nor talent to compete
Hull City reporter Philip Buckingham goes in-depth with his analysis from the 2-0 defeat to Stoke City.
The final Championship fixture of this opening month revealed nothing new about where Hull City’s campaign is headed but August’s closing days almost certainly will.
Without strengthening in a big way ahead of Friday’s loan deadline, the Tigers appear destined to endure another season of struggle.
A third defeat in five games only confirmed what most already knew; Nigel Adkins’ current squad has neither the bodies nor talent to compete.
The head coach has spent the last month admitting as much and the 462 travelling fans who witnessed a 2-0 loss to Stoke at the Bet365 Stadium had no wish to argue the point.
These are season-defining days ahead for City. One or two new faces would surely not be enough to avert the relegation scrap that is ominously brewing. Three or four feels an absolute necessity.
The Tigers have already waited too long, leaving themselves more to do than most rivals. Keep procrastinating through this week and they really will be in trouble.
The visit of Derby County this weekend will be the first of 20 Championship fixtures in between transfer windows.
Over half a season will be gone by the time City are next allowed to trade in January and by then the die can be cast.
Placing faith in the current squad would be negligent and foolish.
Gifted and hungry players have been assembled in this transitional phase but they are also in desperate need of help.
These last two Saturdays leading up to August 31 have told us that much.
Although City’s defeat to Stoke was not nearly as concerning as the Blackburn loss seven days earlier, they could have few complaints in becoming the first visitor to the Bet365 Stadium to leave empty-handed since January.
The Tigers had spells in an ugly game but only once in 90 minutes did they ask Jack Butland to make a save. At no point did they really threaten to overturn James McClean’s early goal and Mame Diouf’s deflected strike on the hour mark subsequently took the game further into the distance.
Evandro’s red card soon after ended any prospect of City retaining an unbeaten away record and also stunted any momentum that had come from the midweek win at Rotherham. By the end it was only David Marshall who kept the scoreline respectable.
Adkins was typically defiant afterwards, highlighting all that his side had done well. Deep down, however, there will have been frustration that more was not asked of an out-of-form host.
“We’re still growing as a side but we’re disappointed that we’ve come away from this game with nothing,” said Adkins.
“We have an honest, hard-working group of players who are eager to do well and improve for this football club and that will continue. But we have to bring players in.”
It did not need a trip to the division’s biggest spenders to underline what City lack but its timing was impeccable.
Although Jackson Irvine was absent through injury, denying Adkins his most influential outfield player of the previous week, strengthening cannot possibly come from within.
Only the out-of-favour Angus MacDonald and the injured Ondrej Mazuch might make a difference beyond Saturday’s 18-man squad provided Kamil Grosicki gets his wish to depart this week.
There will come a stage this season where half a dozen players will be ruled out, perhaps even more, and then what? Adkins would be up the Humber without a paddle, last seen drifting out towards Spurn Point.
Everything now hinges on the actions of vice chairman Ehab Allam.
Forty days have now come and gone since George Long became City’s sixth summer signing and the coming days promise to shape the ambitions of an entire season. Adkins can only hope his bosses share an understanding that business is not optional.
What would City’s head coach give for Stoke’s spending power? In a summer that has already seen the big names of Ashley Williams, Tom Ince, Benik Afobe and Sam Clucas arrive in Staffordshire, Gary Rowett was allowed to make Ryan Woods his latest £6m capture ahead of kick-off.
Stoke will surely not be far away when the three tickets back to the Premier League are dished out in May but this should have been the time for City to enjoy facing the pre-season promotion favourites.
A four-game winless run, including the 3-0 home defeat to Wigan on Wednesday, had created an anxious mood inside the Bet365 Stadium.
Adkins had urged his players to heighten the misgivings of Stoke fans but the doubts were eased by another soft goal leaked by City. A left-wing corner was punched away by Marshall under pressure but McClean’s drive from the edge of the box slipped through a mass of bodies and into the net. Nine minutes was all the Tigers could manage in their attempts to truly frustrate Stoke.
City remained in the hunt during a turgid first half, with Fraizer Campbell’s flicked header from Todd Kane’s corner bringing the one and only save from Butland, but any prospect of a second-half comeback were shot dead inside two disastrous minutes.
A second goal leaked was bad enough as Jordy de Wijs was teased by Diouf, whose shot deflected in past Marshall, but Evandro’s dismissal soon after wrapped up Stoke’s three points. A reckless challenge from the Brazilian got what it deserved.
From then it was all about damage limitation. Marshall denied Peter Etebo after earlier keeping out Diouf brilliantly with his feet, before Peter Crouch missed a gilt-edged chance to bring up a 400th career start with a goal. The 10 men were soundly beaten and the full-time whistle came as blessed relief.
If the midweek victory at Rotherham had given a false sense of hope that everything would eventually turn out well this season, the loss to Stoke was the sobering outcome required ahead of the transfer window closing once and for all.
City need new players. Just as they always have done since a dozen were allowed to leave at the end of last term. Ignorance to that fact will only lead the club one way.
Hull City squad has neither the bodies nor talent to compete
Hull City reporter Philip Buckingham goes in-depth with his analysis from the 2-0 defeat to Stoke City.
The final Championship fixture of this opening month revealed nothing new about where Hull City’s campaign is headed but August’s closing days almost certainly will.
Without strengthening in a big way ahead of Friday’s loan deadline, the Tigers appear destined to endure another season of struggle.
A third defeat in five games only confirmed what most already knew; Nigel Adkins’ current squad has neither the bodies nor talent to compete.
The head coach has spent the last month admitting as much and the 462 travelling fans who witnessed a 2-0 loss to Stoke at the Bet365 Stadium had no wish to argue the point.
These are season-defining days ahead for City. One or two new faces would surely not be enough to avert the relegation scrap that is ominously brewing. Three or four feels an absolute necessity.
The Tigers have already waited too long, leaving themselves more to do than most rivals. Keep procrastinating through this week and they really will be in trouble.
The visit of Derby County this weekend will be the first of 20 Championship fixtures in between transfer windows.
Over half a season will be gone by the time City are next allowed to trade in January and by then the die can be cast.
Placing faith in the current squad would be negligent and foolish.
Gifted and hungry players have been assembled in this transitional phase but they are also in desperate need of help.
These last two Saturdays leading up to August 31 have told us that much.
Although City’s defeat to Stoke was not nearly as concerning as the Blackburn loss seven days earlier, they could have few complaints in becoming the first visitor to the Bet365 Stadium to leave empty-handed since January.
The Tigers had spells in an ugly game but only once in 90 minutes did they ask Jack Butland to make a save. At no point did they really threaten to overturn James McClean’s early goal and Mame Diouf’s deflected strike on the hour mark subsequently took the game further into the distance.
Evandro’s red card soon after ended any prospect of City retaining an unbeaten away record and also stunted any momentum that had come from the midweek win at Rotherham. By the end it was only David Marshall who kept the scoreline respectable.
Adkins was typically defiant afterwards, highlighting all that his side had done well. Deep down, however, there will have been frustration that more was not asked of an out-of-form host.
“We’re still growing as a side but we’re disappointed that we’ve come away from this game with nothing,” said Adkins.
“We have an honest, hard-working group of players who are eager to do well and improve for this football club and that will continue. But we have to bring players in.”
It did not need a trip to the division’s biggest spenders to underline what City lack but its timing was impeccable.
Although Jackson Irvine was absent through injury, denying Adkins his most influential outfield player of the previous week, strengthening cannot possibly come from within.
Only the out-of-favour Angus MacDonald and the injured Ondrej Mazuch might make a difference beyond Saturday’s 18-man squad provided Kamil Grosicki gets his wish to depart this week.
There will come a stage this season where half a dozen players will be ruled out, perhaps even more, and then what? Adkins would be up the Humber without a paddle, last seen drifting out towards Spurn Point.
Everything now hinges on the actions of vice chairman Ehab Allam.
Forty days have now come and gone since George Long became City’s sixth summer signing and the coming days promise to shape the ambitions of an entire season. Adkins can only hope his bosses share an understanding that business is not optional.
What would City’s head coach give for Stoke’s spending power? In a summer that has already seen the big names of Ashley Williams, Tom Ince, Benik Afobe and Sam Clucas arrive in Staffordshire, Gary Rowett was allowed to make Ryan Woods his latest £6m capture ahead of kick-off.
Stoke will surely not be far away when the three tickets back to the Premier League are dished out in May but this should have been the time for City to enjoy facing the pre-season promotion favourites.
A four-game winless run, including the 3-0 home defeat to Wigan on Wednesday, had created an anxious mood inside the Bet365 Stadium.
Adkins had urged his players to heighten the misgivings of Stoke fans but the doubts were eased by another soft goal leaked by City. A left-wing corner was punched away by Marshall under pressure but McClean’s drive from the edge of the box slipped through a mass of bodies and into the net. Nine minutes was all the Tigers could manage in their attempts to truly frustrate Stoke.
City remained in the hunt during a turgid first half, with Fraizer Campbell’s flicked header from Todd Kane’s corner bringing the one and only save from Butland, but any prospect of a second-half comeback were shot dead inside two disastrous minutes.
A second goal leaked was bad enough as Jordy de Wijs was teased by Diouf, whose shot deflected in past Marshall, but Evandro’s dismissal soon after wrapped up Stoke’s three points. A reckless challenge from the Brazilian got what it deserved.
From then it was all about damage limitation. Marshall denied Peter Etebo after earlier keeping out Diouf brilliantly with his feet, before Peter Crouch missed a gilt-edged chance to bring up a 400th career start with a goal. The 10 men were soundly beaten and the full-time whistle came as blessed relief.
If the midweek victory at Rotherham had given a false sense of hope that everything would eventually turn out well this season, the loss to Stoke was the sobering outcome required ahead of the transfer window closing once and for all.
City need new players. Just as they always have done since a dozen were allowed to leave at the end of last term. Ignorance to that fact will only lead the club one way.
Would be interesting to see him get a face to face sit down interview with the allams, he might just ask the questions the pussy footing burns won't.
Will never happen though
Was just going to post that thought.
Burnstein the man they couldn't silence!!
Well I was one of the poor idiots who decided to attend. Of course I am boycotting which means I am using it as an excuse not to attend. I have to say there was no enjoyment going yesterday.
I remember going years ago and singing the George Boateng song for what seemed like ours. Yesterday may have highlighted our failings on the pitch. However, more importantly it highlighted how far we have fallen as a club, and that the damage has already being done. A few more loan signings may delay the inevitable for another year but unfortunately I see us dropping down to League One at some point.
I remember going years ago and singing the George Boateng song for what seemed like ours. Yesterday may have highlighted our failings on the pitch. However, more importantly it highlighted how far we have fallen as a club, and that the damage has already being done. A few more loan signings may delay the inevitable for another year but unfortunately I see us dropping down to League One at some point.
